Episode #10: An update on BigCheese.ai

Yo, big cheese in the house. We're taking it to the streets. Brandon, Jacob, Sean, and Dre, the crew that never sleeps. Talking AI facts, AI stacks. We bringing the heat, breaking down the AI tech, revolutionizing the beat. Stepping up the game, we bring the flow like no other. Big cheese on the hike, we be the ultimate-- And welcome back to the Big Cheese AI Podcast. I'm Andrej Herakis, joined by Sean Hize, Jacob Wise, and Brandon Corbin. We are the Big Cheese AI team. Subscribe to our YouTube channel at Big Cheese AI, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter. Today, we're diving into Big Cheese Weekly. If you haven't checked out Big Cheese Weekly already, Brandon, why don't you give a little update on what's going on? So it's at weekly.bigcheese.ai. This is a thing that we have built to basically be able to go and start collecting all the new AI product launches, all the new AI news that's happening, and basically bring it into a centralized place. And we actually use AI for it. So we take in those headlines, we actually run it through a large language model, we have it give us some additional context and whatnot. So yeah, you can just check it out at weekly.bigcheese.ai. I am so interested because, of course, you built it. Two seconds. Of course. It looks great. Weekly.bigcheese.ai. Great. It's awesome. We might merge that into bigcheese.ai, which you didn't hear us talk about, but I think we're going to take all of these and just merge them into the website. Yeah. Yeah. You know, that's typical. You just build on a subdomain, see if it's any good. All right. And then, boom, we'll pop it in. As long as you change front-end frameworks and then rebuild it. Every day. Every three days. But the thing that I noticed about it is that there's a lot of content and it's pretty good. So I'm not pressing terms of where you were going to get the content. Sure. So the-- As you can tell, Brandon built this completely on his own. We didn't do shit. Well, so my main thing is going to Product Hunt. So I live on Product Hunt. I go there every day and I'm like, show me the new products that are coming up from Product Hunt. Same with Hacker News and then same with Reddit. So there's a bunch of different subreddits that I follow that are all just about AI. So three very nuanced content. Exactly. I mean, you haven't seen Product Hunt. There's a lot of people that don't know about Product Hunt. Which just blows my mind. It's a website that has been out there for a long time. It's kind of like the place to kind of launch your startup in terms of publicly announcing it to the startup community. Yeah. And if you get some traction on there, like the one thing-- It's a great-- Yeah. I mean, what you'll notice is if you get on the top of that, they're putting that on their banner of their website. Number one on Product Hunt. Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's just under traffic. The one thing I've noticed about Product Hunt that was a trend a few years ago, whatever, still trend that I love is the concept of the micro product, which is what you're seeing a lot in AI. And so you're really talking about it could be a Mac app that makes it easier to turn your volume up and down. I mean, seriously. But it costs $3 in the App Store and the dude made a million bucks in a weekend. I gave 10 bucks to that Git Brain. I mean, I love it. But it was so targeted. All it is is-- Exactly. For commit messages. And it makes it easy. Yeah. No, Git Brain was one of the ones that found theirs. Every hour this thing goes and it goes checks for any new articles that are AI related from those various sources. We can always add more sources. When it finds something that's new, it then takes that information, it goes to the website, it gets all of the HTML of the website, converts it to markdown just to keep things compressed. And basically say, hey, summarize this, give us some interesting facts, give us any relevant links. And so when you actually go and you look at the continue reading, we actually pull out popular links that are in there. That's a really nice little feature. And that's all done by just a large language model. Totally. 100% large language model. Good use case for AI, right? Exactly. Take a data source, first convert it to something that's digestible, send it through the LLM. Right. And then store that. Then store that. Exactly. So the large language model actually outputs JSON. Or it's just on. Yeah. We should push that sometime. Shut up, Jason. And then basically we have that now all stored in the database. But it is a great example of why you should, or when you're thinking of how you can incorporate AI is to do it in things that are kind of behind the scenes that get added to the database versus, you know, we want to have a public chat bot for everybody to go interact with. And we could probably parlay this now into our-- We heard that's the only way to implement AI. Think about it like this. Especially with GM, right? I think they did a great job of it. Chevrolet. I just want to point out that, so you're using AI for the ingestion. And in the past, you would have built this by deciding, OK, we're going to go to Reddit. We need to know Reddit's API. And what is common between it? We need to get a product hunt. What's their API? So you would build all these, what do they call them, connectors? I forget that. Anyway, so you build all these individual connectors for every data source. And that's the only way to get that into a common language. Now you've just got, what, the LLM that says-- Yeah. So now we just take all that raw data and just give it to the LLM. And they can figure it out from there. It doesn't need to worry about a whole lot of stuff. The other thing that I've found about LLMs in general, when you throw stuff at it, is that it finds a way to ignore the crap that you threw at it that didn't matter. If you literally go copy and paste a website and just throw it in there, and it has the footer links and the header crap. But there's something in there. It just ignores it. And that's good, because in the past, you would have, you're like, I've got to find the excerpt. Where is the excerpt? Try to find that specific P that has a certain amount of text. Yeah, you've got to find p.excerpt. Oh, they changed their CSS tag. We're screwed. Right. Somehow it finds the good information. Yes. Yeah. I've got to do this. OK, so I'm in a fancy football league. And the guy who runs it is a big data nerd and web guy. And he scrapes Yahoo's pages. But he always complains any time they change their web page. So they'll make a p tag, a span, or whatever. He's like, well, I got to redo the scrape for now. I'm like, dude, maybe we should do that. But it's all about these reports he builds and sends us. And they're super cool. That's what I really like about using Markdown for this. So when you call a service and you say, OK, give me all of the HTML, I want to add that HTML to a large language model. HTML being the presentational language of the web. Right, hypertext markup language. And it's very verbose. I never knew what that meant. Yeah, so there you go. If you want to have an argument with nerds, just say that HTML is a programming language. Oh, yeah. That's a-- But Markdown is a different way of basically documenting data. Right. So Markdown is like a much lighter weight way for you to format documents. So with HTML, you can do anything you want. You can have tables. You can have weird ass divs. You can just do a bunch of stuff. With Markdown, though, you've got titles. You might have a header one, header two, all the way up to header five or six or whatever it is. You have links. You have bullet points. You have images. You have certain things. But it just makes it real easy for you to actually type it out. And what I like about taking HTML and converting that to Markdown is it just gets rid of a lot of things that aren't necessarily important to the large language model. Large language model doesn't need to know all of your classes. It doesn't need to know your styles. It doesn't need to know a bunch of this bullshit. It needs to know what are headers, what are links, what are bullet points. Markdown describes and includes content at the same time. And it's also what chat GPT outputs. If you hit the copy button, then you're always wondered, why is there these pound signs? Exactly. Yeah. So we're starting to see that a lot of the large language models, when you have it output any kind of format that gets structured, like where it might be a bold headline, it might have some bullet points, it might have links and all that, it is all Markdown. And so when you do copy it and you paste it. So if you're using Notion or if you're using Obsidian, both of those pretty much are all Markdown. And that's what I like about both of them. You can copy straight from your large language model, paste it straight into Obsidian or Notion, and it's just formatted. So Markdown is a killer format, but it's also way lighter than HTML. And that's important when you're dealing with large language models is that you want to make sure that you're not just sending a bunch of irrelevant stuff to it because it costs you money. Yeah. Yeah. High volume that adds up in cost. And then also the chances of it misunderstanding. It does do a good job of understanding what's valuable and what's not, but that's another step you can take. So once an hour is awesome because I just reloaded the page and they just did an awesome article about Apple and AI just dropped on Big Cheese about Apple wants AI to run directly on its hardware instead of the cloud. That's going to be part of my predictions for next week. Oh, did we talk about that? Next week is going to be all about prediction. Okay. Yeah. But here's a feature suggestion. Push notification when a new article comes up on the... We could totally do that now because iOS is now allowing the push notifications to happen on the web. So we could do that. If you know what a progressive web application is, it was like the awesome thing because you didn't have to actually package for native. Now native is awesome. And now native publishes to the web just as good as it would be whatever if you're direct native, but Safari iOS supports push notifications in Safari. Really? Yes. Now this kind of stuff was possible, but anyways, this would be a good use case for this because this website, weekly.bigcheese.ai is being updated all the time. And I could not believe when we were going through it, we went as a team just did a deep dive. The amount of content on this site is ridiculous. It's so good. I used it to review. It's really, really good. Big Cheese Weekly is a newsletter that's fantastic if you're willing to learn a little more about AI, more about the products that are coming out, the big news that's going around. Oh yeah, there are. There's new ones in here that I haven't seen. I'm like, "Oh yeah, there's a new AI headline." So if you subscribe to the site, you're going to get added to our MailChimp list and we will be building some sort of dissemination to this. We haven't done it yet. That's what I'm supposed to be doing. But yeah, once a week, you'll kind of just get the headlines. We'll put it out there. Yeah. Which is cool. There's a lot of really curated newsletters out there. And if you're in tech, if you're really in any industry, subscribe to newsletters because that's the way I get almost everything. And it's just every morning I have five or six emails in like, unless I'm really busy, I sit down and I read those newsletters. Like there's the TLDR newsletter from Google, which is an all tech newsletter. Oh dude, that is, they talk about all kinds of stuff. But yeah, there's a bunch of AI newsletters out there that are really good. And I mean, there's Mark, the Snacks. So Robinhood, if you're into investing at all or anything related to companies, Snacks is a really good pod daily 15 minute podcast, but it comes with a newsletter too. And the dudes that run, I mean, I wish that's podcast goals. Those guys are awesome. It's very, very produced, but like, they just know that you don't have very much time and they're trying to give you as much information as fast as possible. So hopefully we can kind of get on that level. Yeah. But we're introducing a new normal on the Big Cheese podcast, and that is Big Cheese Weekly Reviews. So if you go check out Big Cheese Weekly, we're posting a bunch of new products and new news. But here at the Big Cheese team, we're actually going to look at these products, take a deep dive and give you our thoughts on whether or not they're good or the trash, the good cheese or the bad cheese. So let's kick it off. Brandon, if you take a look at a couple of products and give us your review. I was just going to go check out draw.app, D-R-A-W-W-W.app, and it's down. That's a bad grade. It's been down all day. Here's the other thing about that app. It seems awesome, but guess what? It's joined the pre-order list. Oh, okay. All right. So that was one of the only ones that was listed. So there's a couple that I was playing around with. And the one that I really wanted to delve into was, and I'm not exactly, God, Lord, but yeah, we're pulling a lot of content in here because now this one was from Wednesday and it's like, you know, 20 down, but I don't know how you're going to pronounce this. Doku, D-O-K-K-I-O. How would you guys pronounce that? Dokio. Dokio. So Dokio is a platform and it's D-O-K-K-I-O.com. And it basically allows you to connect your different data sources. So we can connect Google drive, you can connect Gmail, you can connect the Dropbox box, Google cloud. And then, and I was really excited about this. And the reason I'm really excited about this is because it kind of falls in line with what Prompt Privacy is calling their cognitive storage engine. And the cognitive storage engine of Prompt Privacy is basically allowing organizations to be able to take all of their dispersed data, whether that's in a database somewhere, that's a cloud drive, that's local drives, that's your emails or whatever. And to be able to start understanding your entire dataset. So I was like, okay, I'm going to go check this out and see how close it is. It's nice. So I connected our big cheese Slack to it. I connected our big cheese email to it. And so I can go in there, but it's really more just like kind of like a search for your files. So you can kind of search through it and you can see some of the UXs. The UX is not very good. So I was kind of disappointed there, but I did connect all of it. It just doesn't offer enough to make it kind of like, oh yeah, this is something that I would use all the time because we can find this. If we need to find a thing that I posted into Slack, we just go to Slack and we search for it. If I need an email, I search through my email. - And as from a business perspective, it's tough to build a product like that if it doesn't have great UX from the beginning. Because then you're just like, well, just wait for you to get eaten by the company that's hosting files anyways. - I also think this is solving the problem too late downstream to where like, I look at our files and Slack and stuff like that. And it's like, we need it to be input into the system originally better. Not like help defining it. Now that stuff will help. And I absolutely am here for like document searching and like finding that thing I did two years ago. I'm like, where the hell did that go? But like, I think the future will be more of the ingestion and less of like, that's still cool though. Is that targeted more towards like personal use or? - It feels like an MVP.

• Yeah, it feels very MVP. You go through the onboarding and it's like, this is for personal or this is for your business. The other thing too, is it's kind of like there really isn't like a whole lot of AI that's happening here. - I was gonna say, welcome to an AI only tool that doesn't do much AI. - Yeah, and maybe they are kind of doing some, they probably have some vector searching happening behind the scenes or whatever, but there doesn't, like I'm not having a conversation about my content. I'm just more able to search for specific types. So yeah, I would say all in all.
• I mean, I could see an example where like, the one thing I'm thinking of is, you know, when you kind of know the document you're looking for. - But you don't know what it is. And so you can kind of like put in the sentiment of it. - But how often does that happen?
• Have you ever noticed that, total tangent, have you ever noticed that Google Drive's instant search is way better than their actual search? - Yeah.
• So like you'll search Google Drive for a document, just wait for the instant search results to come up on the drop-down. - And it's better.
• Oh yeah. The actual search when you press enter, totally different.
• Yeah. So I don't use Google Drive. - No shit.
• And I use Google Mail, Gmail, but I'm never actually in like gmail.com.
• Brandon goes to set up our emails. He's like, we're going to use Zoho. And I'm like, all right, cool. Zoho, drive.zoho. Wait, where do I put the fucking files?
• We are officially on Google now that I paid for it because I'm a cheap bastard.
• He's like, it's $2 a month. I'm like, but we're-
• No, no, it was free. Zoho was free, but it is kind of shitty.
• Yeah. - So what's our grade? Good cheese or bad cheese? - The grade is going to be a, I'm going to, I'm going to say this is a mid cheese at a 5.0. - It's an itty parmesan been in your fridge for too long? - It's a Kraft Parm, all right?
• Kraft Parm cheese. - Yeah.
• The scale's going to get interesting. - That's my view. Again, I think they have, I think they have an angle. I think they should incorporate more just, I want to be able to chat with my content, right? Chat with my email. I want to be able to chat with my documents. If they would incorporate that and then potentially improve some of the user experience. And by the way, if you guys have any interest in hiring anybody to help you with improving that user experience, big cheese is for hire. But yeah, so I'd say it's a 5.0.
• The company that I wanted to take a look at was Fliki.ai.
• Yeah, I have this one. - F-L-I-K-I.ai. And so this is a video creation platform using AI, kind of similar to Pika, but you can input basically any kind of file. It can be a tweet, a video, a blog post, a PowerPoint, or you can create a custom avatar that's behind a paywall. But you can start for free if you want to check it out. And basically it will, if you ever watch a YouTube video and you have a voiceover with a series of pictures and images that kind of look like what you're talking about, that's kind of where they're going with it. I mean, I put in a brief prompt about big cheese and it made, the images weren't all that great, but it made sense of the video. But I think it's just like the first step in creating videos using AI. The tool that uses the avatar is actually pretty impressive. So you can upload an image of yourself and then it will be like a talking version of you over an avatar.
• Oh, really? Oh, that's cool. - Kind of that deep fake AI.
• So this isn't like the tool that we use to make the shorts? What's that called?
• No, that's Opus Clip. This is actually creating the entire video.
• This is like from scratch. We're taking it, we're putting it in a prompt and we're going to generate images similar to- - In text and audio.
• Oh, okay. All right. - So you can create an entire video.
• And the thing about this one that I, when we were looking at it is it does have a decent amount of features, which is something that we just talked about. This one thing, that one feature wasn't any good. This one has a decent amount of features. But I like the idea of taking a PowerPoint and creating a video because there's, think about all the content that currently exists that you're just want to do something with and then distribute it in a different means, right? It could be educational content. It could be a marketing presentation, but the ability to quickly transfer existing content that you already created and then make it better. - So this supports uploading a PowerPoint?
• It should. - Yeah, an entire PowerPoint.
• Nice. - It totally didn't work when I uploaded ours. - It sure says it doesn't.
• It says it doesn't, it really don't. - It wants to though.
• Okay. - Flicky, we got you.
• How much, so pricing, looking at the pricing. So they have a free account.
• Yeah, they have a free account. Their first tier is a standard. It's going to be $21amonth.Theyhaveapremiumfor$66 a month. I don't know. I mean, I don't know if I 100% agree with the pricing, just kind of being in that middle tier between B2C and B2B is sticky.
• And if you pay for the year, you get 25% off.
• Yeah, I mean, it's got your standard, it's got your standard SaaS product optimization. You know, you can start for free, you can log in with your, I mean, good job on the actual onboarding.
• Yeah. - You know, I think it also, it points to the fact that if you actually, I have two questions about this. It's probably a good time to talk about it. It's really hard to build AI products because they cost you money. They cost, I mean, you're running all this stuff through these large language models that cost you money. And so like, for the example, on the standard plan, you get 180 minutes of credits. What the hell does that mean? I don't know. But like, there's a consumption aspect and ChatGPT hasn't figured this out. They're losing money on some of their customers. They're charging a flat fee, but their input cost or their cost of goods sold, if you will, is variable.
• Right. - Right. And so it's hard to build these products. - Well, but you know, so, but with ChatGPT specifically, so I'm paying the 20 bucks a month for the plus, but I'm also getting dinged for overages. - You are?
• I am. So I'll be charged five to 10 bucks a month, depending on like when I start getting-
• So shit, they're Verizon now. - Yeah. No, it really is. Like, I'm paying minutes. - That's the way to do it.
• Yeah. - And I mean, I'm-
• I mean, I think it's kind of risky from a, I mean, Sean's thing is always focusing on like, the cost implications. I mean, I created a few-
• I have to run a business. - Make money. That's weird.
• Startups having to make money now. Go figure. - Yeah.
• Grow at all costs. Now you need to be profitable and have good LTV to CAC ratios, et cetera. But all that kind of stuff. - Oh, who cares about that?
• Yeah. Yeah. That stuff's, you know, whatever. But yeah, this, you can create entire videos and not have to pay for anything. You just create a bunch of new free accounts. So I'm assuming that's going to be a problem at some point, but maybe they're hyperfunded.
• Yeah. - Maybe they, you know, have a vision for how they're going to fix that. But overall, I mean, I think it's-
• Good cheese, bad cheese? - It's American standard craft cheese.
• I think it's, but it has a good potential to it.
• Okay. Yeah, actually, if it's American standard craft cheese, that is like literally profitable.
• Again, American cheese in the plastic is some of the best for-
• Yeah, he was going to say, do you have to preserve that for later?
• Yeah. - Yeah. So I would say it's good cheese.
• I don't like cheese. - I think from my perspective, when we look at a lot of these product lists, I mean, video generation is, there's a million products a day coming out that do this. And so how do you differentiate? It's a more fully featured, you know, type of product. They spend a lot of time building a lot of different things.
• Right. - So good job.
• No, I mean, again, we're in that dot-com bubble, right? Where everybody's trying to-
• Literally. - Yeah. Everybody's trying to build the next-
• This is clearly a bubble. - Yeah. The pets.com, right? We've got a, how many companies back then in the early 2000s could we go buy, you know, 40 pound bags of dog food? - Right.
• And then they all, you know, the only ones who survive are, you know, now, you know, the winners. So I'll be kind of curious to see how well they compare to like, when Google just released Video Poet, right? And I say released it, but they've released the paper. Like we haven't actually been able to play with it, but this is now Google's take on doing a zero shot video generation where you can basically give it a prompt and it's going to generate, you know, images for you that are actually like, can hold like, oh my God. - Can you guys even imagine the meme game?
• 2024 is going to be all about the AI meme game. - I am so excited. I'm going to create so many wild memes. - Elon's going to love it.
• Do you think that's real or do you think Google faked that too?
• No. - Okay. So to that point, if you guys are just kidding. Yeah. So last week, Gemini, Google announced Gemini, which is their kind of, so they had Bard, right? So Bard's kind of what you can go play with now at bard.google.com. But then everybody was like, well, Bard's not as good as Chad GPT. So then they had been working on Gemini. Gemini comes in three different models. They have a nano, which is going to run on your pixel phones. So it's an AI that's designed specifically to be able to run on your device. Pro, which is available, I think now, and ultra, which is going to come out next year. And Gemini is supposed to be as good as Chad GPT 4. We're starting to see some things that like the one that's out now, the pro one, people are saying, eh, it's about as good as 3.5 turbo, but it's not as good as 4. Yeah. 4 is kind of the standard for you to be able to hit. Until 4.5. But there's been some interesting weird leaks about like people saying that they've been seeing 4.5. Have you guys seen anything about this? Yeah, but I think that they decided that was just a hallucination. Cause I saw that too, where it's like, oh, it says it's- Did you say that the Webster's word of the year is a- Hallucination? Hallucination. It should be. It should be. If you want to seem smart and have no idea what you're talking about in AI, say the word hallucination. Listen, he's hallucinating because he's not well grounded. And that's all you have to do if you were to be like, well, this guy knows what he's talking about. Just walk away. Drop the mic and walk away. Just buckle up and just leave. I had the opportunity to go and evaluate some pitch competition, a pitch competition at a well-respected business school last week. They invited you? Yeah, they were so mad they did afterwards. The hell are they doing bringing you in the room? But I did not know this. I walked in and they all had to be AI companies. They had to come up with businesses for all these AI companies. Were they aware that you were doing this AI podcast? No, they didn't know who I was at all. The top AI podcast in Indiana. They had no idea they were getting themselves into. The leading AI podcast in the Midwest. In Indianapolis. Every single one of them was an app. Every single one of their ideas was an iOS app. And every single they had been taught. They had basically been at the very beginning of semester been like, here's chat GPT. And the first thing they did was tell them, go ask it to give you a recipe for blueberry muffins. Really? And I mean, these the teachers obviously are trying to they see this and good for them. Yeah, right. Props to them to getting the people to be thinking about. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But like the they're so, I mean, Andre and I have been talking about this. They're so young, and they're still learning the basic fundamentals of business. Yeah. That this was to me was a distraction. I, I'm, I'm so biased because when I, I went into corporate, the consulting world after college, and that's I learned a lot. But I, there's just so much to learn when it comes to kind of how the world works when it comes to big, big companies and big business and, and just like, you know, how regulation works, how the government works, you know, how, how large organizations work and things like that. And I feel like if you're in business school, right, in your in your, I feel like a lot of those people that are getting finance degrees and all that, they're gonna need to go do finance at a company that has financials. Yeah, yeah. Right. And it's, it's, it's, it's definitely not a lot. But like, you, you, there's something to, I would be willing to bet that you as a young lad, we could go back and we would see that you are going to be someone who needed to start his own thing. Yeah. I was still slinging websites on the side. That you weren't going to be, you weren't going to be bossed by anybody. Yeah. Funny story. I got fired from my first job because I, I was there for like a full month. And I was there for a month and I got fired. And I was like, I was like, I can run this better than this person. Completely out of my element, but I just am so full of confidence. And yeah, I agree. There's certain people that, one, you just, maybe you just have a problem with authority or you're a strong, Sean and I are both very, very opinionated. And we have a big problem with authority. Yeah, fits us very well. And you know, I, we both happened to graduate in a time that the economy was, was not doing great. So it was kind of like, all right, guess what I'm going to be doing. So, but it worked out, man. Yeah, no, I agree. I mean, I think that, you know, it's, it's a matter of, you know, personalities. I probably was always going to go out and, you know, be my own boss and those kinds of things. But I think the education on don't just go into a willy nilly, you know? No, no. I think, I think the experience is, yeah, the experiences that I had working at these bigger companies absolutely helped me in my day to day now that I'm doing it on my own. Right. Yeah. Right. And so the, you know, I've worked, I've worked at a lot of what I found is that I work really well at getting it startups. And once they get bought is usually when I'm like, time for me to leave. Like the moment that it becomes like a professional organization, it's I'm fucking out, right? I'm just I'm done. And I've had that like four or five times now. And so I do, but I, but I truly do believe it just comes down to the person's personality. My son should absolutely work for somebody. My daughter absolutely should not work for anybody. But this is all so new and they, and everybody's scrambling to try to figure it out. But they all were AI. It was all AI pitches. They had to have AI as a fundamental aspect of their business idea. Which was the most interesting? It was, let me think. It was, they all had work to do, but the one that I, the one that I liked the best was, and I made a comment, I said, great job using AI in your presentation because I could tell they had a picture, they had a bunch of pictures and there was words are spelled wrong. English, Russian looking language. And that was the other thing that I, that I, that I took away from it. I was like, young folks, I was expecting what Andre does. Like Andre will come up with the best looking presentation and he built it on Canva and then he like used all the new tools. Like kids don't even know what PowerPoint is anymore. They got Canva in it. Like they don't have investors that are like, I need that stuff to look great. It's stress. It's a little different game. Yeah. It's called stress induced productivity. Stress induced excellence. These presentations were, they were okay. But anyways, the, the best, the best idea, and I don't think I should indulge too much, but the best idea had to do with communicating to emergency responders in like a, and creating a tool that allows them to be more efficient when they're, when they're deployed in a, like a disaster relief situation. Have I ever told you about my hazard.app that I built? No, let's go. Of course, Brandon built that. He's like, COVID hit and I'm like, well, I'm inside. So I'm going to build something. I was like, I'm going to build an app that lets you report hazards that happen around your location, right? It becomes citizens.app. I guess that was, citizen was discussed in the conversation. Yeah. So, so it was literally same thing with my, my pick follow versus Instagram. I start working on it and then citizens allowed. And I'm just like, ah, it was cool though. So I had a hazard.app, had a killer logo. It was actually probably one of my favorite products that I've built in terms of like the overall user experience. If you ever want to just like, go call Brandon Corbin. Yeah. Dude, I got so mad. Tell him that he'll buy his entire vault. That he'll buy his 10 million dollars. Also like, Brandon, I didn't tell you this earlier, but when you said pick follow, the Instagram thing you built before Instagram, I thought you said pig follow. And I was like, so I was like waiting for the, like the punchline of like how, like following pigs around. And I was like, what is this? Why did you get into this? Just bring it up. I didn't, I haven't used it yet, but I joined the wait list for a notebook LM, which is Google's new app for essentially you upload like a document and then you have a conversation around it and it can give you context. And you kind of do that with a obsidian a little bit, right? Yeah. Yeah. So obsidian has, if you install the chat, GBT plugin, you can then have conversations about your documents. Is that all it's doing though? Is it just like one document? That's a great question. I think it's for your document. No, it's for, it's for your entire vault of it essentially. So like you could put a bunch of connected items in there, but it's a stupid wait list right now. So we'll see. So I saw, I stumbled across this product and I actually talked about it last podcast, which is a use case I didn't think about, which is kids doing image generation. So did the whole Dolly thing, right? The kids loved it, like absolutely fell in love with it. And, but you know, there's obviously risks there. So there's this app that was showed up on our website called Twixie, T W I X I E. And it's an, it's an it's an iPhone app, but it allows kids to, to do image generation in a fun, cute, safe way. That's their whole model. Oh, that's interesting. So they're actually thinking about that, which makes a ton of sense. Cause somebody probably saw the same thing I saw, which is kids messing around with image generation. Yep. They don't want to, they don't care about talking to chat GPT. They just want to generate, they will, they just want to generate images and they think it's the funniest, fun thing they've ever done. Like the fact that they can, from their mind, visualize something at that level of detail, it just blows their mind. How fast did it, did it, or how long did it take them to get to farts? Was that something that came up? Cause my nephew would be like, the first thing he would do would be like a dude fart. I wish that I could find, is it free? I don't know. So it's an app. Okay. So Twixie, it looks like there's, it's only available on iOS right now. Does have in-app purchases. Yeah. It's a by author, uh, shot drove shot, throw the, um, kids, you know? Oh, by the way, kids, they're funny. 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And it's like, all right, that sounds like a good deal to me. Right. And so, so, so the whole concept of the chat, and I'll just reiterate what I've said before, when you're thinking of adding AI to your product, maybe not have it be something that the users are directly interacting with. That it should be something that's kind of behind the scenes, something that's getting processed, something that's getting added to a system later on, because the moment that users can interact with your AI, it's going to start talking like Hitler. Right. And that's just a standard. Like people, that brings us to the, to the next one, which is the analysts, right? The data analysis and insights piece. And that's, you know, utilizing rag machine learning, just AI in general to uncover trends and patterns and your data other things. But you're processing that kind of behind the scenes. It's taking it, it's kind of like what we're doing with the weekly, right? So the weekly goes, it takes some data, goes and understands it, writes some, modifies it, does some manipulation and adds it to a database. And now we display that to the users. So for GM, for that, for that dealership, right? They put that chat bot on their website. You know, I don't speak for corporate, but I'm guessing they didn't do that because they would have never passed through the regulations. Yeah. I mean, they do, they did one where the guy was like, write a Python script that does X, Y, and Z and it output that. I'm like, okay, who put just a random chat GPT bot on there? Time would have been saying, let's build a simple thing that scrapes our website for all the open on sale vehicles that are recently come down in price and sent in, and concise ism sends and creates an email and sends it to all the customers on the list. Or even if you only allowed it to search that stuff and communicate with that stuff, where it's like, I could totally see, I mean, the search is powerful. You go to a website and like, what are some cars that are affordable for me at my budget's 10 K, you know? And like, instead of going to the page and hitting the filters, you just have a conversation with the search, you know? So what about process automation? This is something I've been thinking about a lot, but is AI, AI isn't necessarily conducting process automation. Is it enabling it? Of course, but is it really conducting like when I make GPTs, I feel like that's a process automation in some way, but not really. It's not, you still have to write stuff, but like, how is AI really is, what's the, what's the AI take on process automation? So if so, so one way that I use, use it would be to take data, convert it into a format like you saw on our gism. So it's the ETL aspect of, of, of it's an open-ended ETL, extract, transform, load-ish type. Yeah. And I, that, that example I sent last week was the guy who scraped his Gmail and then used it. The process was how to create the draft, but it was way more than just writing a draft. So it's handling the hard parts of some process automation. Was that the guy who completely automated his email communications? Yeah. Yeah. And it was funny as, is one of the things he, and again, anytime you're dealing with large language models, you have to realize that it's not predictable. It's not guaranteed predictability, right? Like one plus one does not always equal two. It might equal frog. Right. And so you have to kind of deal with it. So one of the things that he ran into is that his AI would be like, well, I can't meet at this time, but how about at like 2am? He's like, son of a bitch. So, so, so I've like totally dealt with that with Calendly for a long time. It's like, Hey, Calendly, when I have meetings every 30 minutes all day, and then you stick a meeting from 12 to 1230. Anyways. So process automation, it's a piece. It's not the whole, right? Right. It's not a magic box. It's builder IOs model of like building data chains. And the AI is a little piece inside of there that does the, you know, right now everyone's just looking at like, Oh, magic box in good texting output is great. No, that's not how it works. I started watching Silicon Valley again. And if you haven't watched Silicon Valley, it's on max, which I can't believe I'm calling it max, but it is max. I know HBO, I know, but it's on max. And if you haven't seen it is hands down, one of the best technology startup, totally TV shows ever. There's six seasons. And I'm going to ruin it. I'm going to spoiler alert it for you guys here. So if you haven't seen it, you can turn this off. But the ultimate thing was that it, that the AI that they released was just too good, right? It was able to decompress. It was able to unencrypt pretty much even the strictest compressions and its whole thing was to optimize and all of this. But my God, go watch this show because this is where we're headed. Especially when we start incorporating quantum computers into AI where it can break these, you know, elliptic curve encryptions and all this stuff. We're definitely down that path, but it, it hands down, absolutely go watch it because also we're here. Google Silicon Valley. Like when the guy interviews for his own job, they get the infrastructure guy. Everybody, this is the big cheese AI podcast. I'm Andre Herakos joined by Sean Heise, Jacob Wise and Brandon Corbin. We are the Big Cheese AI team. See you guys next week.