Episode #9: GPT’s: The Gateway to AGI and the Future of AI Interaction

GPT's GPT GPT GPT's it's a GPT on it on top of a GPT And welcome back to the big cheese AI podcast I am one of the world's top moderators My name is Andre Harakas and I'm joined by Sean Hise And Jacob wise to tech leaders here in Indianapolis and last but not least Brandon Corbin one of the brightest AI minds Here in the Midwest today. We're gonna be talking about GPT's Alright guys GPT's are what the end of what John it's what are GPT's? I don't know. They're not G. They're GPT Z's Okay, so I get cheesy with GPT's I think that these GPT's are The next phase. Yeah, right to getting us to a point of AGI right just a generalized artificial intelligence that the GPT's are the are the next step and and in this case a GPT is You can think of it as like an agent someone that we program. We're gonna create this this Intelligent machine that can do whatever we want it to do and and go and do it so what's kind of interesting though is that these GPT's are kind of a We made a step forward and then we made a step back. So right when chat GPT came out there were two projects that launched baby AGI and Oh auto auto GPT and both of these were designed to basically be able to take a single prompt and then it's gonna go and figure out all of the things it needs to do and it's just gonna start kind of running through it and Back then when they first launched they weren't very helpful But they were kind of the the idea Conceptually of saying we're gonna have an AI that can do X Y & Z and it's gonna just do it all on its own Well, we're not there yet. And like any sane person realizes that you know moving jumping from just a regular chat GPT to an auto GPT. It's too big of a leap So now we're kind of in this middle ground of GPT's which is released from chat GPT Where we can now go and basically create these intelligent things and they can do certain things. They can read the web They can they can generate images. They can execute code They can have different actions to call API's and all that stuff so you can go and create them and and I've been creating them I know you've been creating them and now we're here. Yeah, I think the There's a couple things first. First thing I noticed is it's Accentuating and providing a Layer on top of chat GPT for chat GPT plus right the new things, right? You have to have the plus you have to have the plus Yeah, so cuz like that was one thing I didn't realize and I'm like I told my wife I'm like, I just go in and create one She's like I don't have and as of using all the features as I'm recording this video You can't actually subscribe to chat GPT plus right now. There is a waitlist. Oh, yeah So no way so check this out So I'm at my I'm at my friend's house Friday And we're just hanging out because my cleaning ladies at my house and we switch houses sometimes on Fridays. We're working home Well, anyways, the kids come home from school We just alternate houses, okay, and we call it we call it mint and co-working. It's my buddy's house He's he loves the pod by the way. Anyway, so we're hanging out and I'm showing him Dolly right because we're talking about we were doing so much with mid journey and and I had subscribed to Leonardo or da Vinci or whatever Which I did not like it all you do I know great UI terrible results, right? but the I was just talking about the I was just started messing around and we were messing around with their kids doing images and they started making comic book characters and all that stuff anyways the the We started making a Mario game. We were messing around the kids loved it by the way And and the next morning he text me like 7 a.m The first thing the kids wanted to do when they walk woke up the next morning was go to chat GPT and start generating images And he was like man. This is on a waitlist And he ended up finding out that through being you can do it or something Right for free but like these kids were so enthralled with chat GPT and it wasn't 3.5. It's this new layer, right? Yeah, that's conserve the web that can generate images that can do certain things So it really is building off an abstraction layer off of the newest version of chat GPT Right and for my takeaway on this is it's like wow, this is a next step, right? It's kind of just if you look at you can look at AI a lot of different ways The the most applicable way I can see right now is using chat GPT. Yeah, so Yeah, and GPT's are let's take a step back for those who like don't know what that what the hell a GPT is Like they're more like fine-tuned like they're still leveraging chat GPT probably for or turbo. I don't know Can you pick the engine? Yeah, you can it's I think it's just for probably whatever there But whatever their price point is at the time is this like chat GPT's answer to The different services that were out that they're like we will make it easier for you to put your images in We'll make it easier for you to put your database into a chat app and then you can search Like yep, exactly because when you go and you so so there's two ways that you can set up a GPT You can you can just give it a prompt right go to you go to opening out you go to chat that opening and you can Now create a GPT right from there. You do on their website. You need to be able to code to create So you go in and you can say create a new one and you just give it a prompt So in the case I had one specific one that I wanted basically the way you can think of about that that they're helpful is Anytime that you're doing something over and over and over again with chat GPT where you have to go in and be like hey I need you to act like this and do this and do this that that's perfect for a GPT So one that I have is Jason schema. So Jason schema is basically a way to describe Don't you dare call it Jason? It's Jason Jason But basically it tells you how to structure a data object and These large language models are really good at following those instructions So if you wanted to always output some Jason Then you can have it basically say I want you to output Jason and I wanted to always be in this format well, it's a pain in the ass to write the Jason schema and So I just wrote one. I'm like, I I'm gonna I want you to create a GPT for converting Jason to Jason schema And that's it and it does all of it and it's like, alright I'm gonna call this the Jason wizard schema and it uses Dolly to come up with like the avatar for it and everything It's integrating with multiple services that open AI offers But the other thing that it can do is it's not only giving it context of how it should provide It should provide answers, but it's actually able to do step-by-step processes Yeah, so you can you can your prompt that you engineer can be like, okay The first thing I want to do is I want to get a lay of the land, right? Okay, so like there's this I'll just use an example So like SEO Fox you give it a keyword and then it gives you a list of our article ideas That would be generated for that keyword then you pick and it's like, alright Then you pick one one article and then it generates the introduction and then you iterate on the rest of the article and it guides The user into an outcome and I think that's important for chat GPT because a lot of people I was looking up I was just randomly on this on Twitter and that I always Kill his name's Luke Rob orowski or whatever the UX guy that from Google, you know, I'm talking about Luke. Yeah Yeah, he's like he's like tweets profound things, right? But he was like what the number one thing that people use AI for is to look up facts But the number one use case for AI is creativity hmm and I thought that was really interesting because I think what people are going to do what do are doing and they could probably see it In their data is they're going to chat GPT and they're just they don't know what to do Yeah, right. And so this is guiding them through a process That's a good point actually because chat GPT is so open-ended and that's the number one thing Like if I talk to family about it, they're like, okay, they don't get it because I didn't nobody gets it at first, right? You know what? I didn't get it and you have to figure out. Okay, what are the use cases and these GPT's are cut now? These GPT's are a good conduit to be like here are some ways you could leverage this this tool There's one I like quite a bit that I I'll share this in the in the show notes But there's a list of like the most popular GPT's by page views. One of them is like this random one called. Mr Reindeer or whatever it's spelled wrong, but I think it's just mr reindeer And it says it's a personalized AI tutor and I talked about this for a use case for like oh if I want to learn How to play chess you can go and say give me an outline This is built for that so I can say I want to learn X and then I can give you a whole outline of how You could go and learn that that thing Step by step and like to your point. These are stepping you can step through them step through. Yeah, and then the next thing is Okay Well, the first thing is is your curriculum generations then the first thing on your curriculum item is this do you want to do that? And then if you do you go and you keep going through this through the things. I think that's pretty cool I think it's reducing the amount of like iterations you have with chat GPT where you're not making any progress Yeah, I think this is also leveraging the enhanced context window that you're seeing where it can handle a lot of stuff And I took our entire YouTube transcript and put it into chat GPT Which is an hour-long conversation and said convert this to HTML Like put P tags and lists and all that stuff and it was able to do it It choked out a few times. But I mean, that's a pretty big context window So, I mean I think for for for creating GPT's and having that layer I mean, this is a huge step forward for it for AI for opening I'm for adoption I think it's huge for open AI for sure one of their angles is turning these chat GPT's that anyone can go out there and create and Turn into a marketplace of sorts. So almost like an app store, which doesn't exist yet But it's going to exist eventually and that opens up the opportunity for entrepreneurs solopreneurs Entrepreneurs people who want to automate systems and processes within a current organization. It's incredible the Level that it can get you to it just moves imagination forward so much faster Because in search things are you discovering your because you you're doing this morning? Maybe we don't know the answer But how are you guys discovering your GPS because I had a hard time Just like there's just the list on on the website right now. It's just their stuff Yeah, like how are you guys discovering GPT's? So typically you have to look it up on like a YouTube video or some other website that gives you links to Because you can share a link to your chat to your GPT to anyone you want once you've created it Yeah, basically you have to go find someone that's and you can just start using them right then and there for free. Yeah Yeah, if you have to And I think like what's gonna happen is like, of course, you're gonna have 30 Different versions of the exact same GPT, but the one that people find the most useful will rise to the top It'll be the fart out. Yeah. Yeah Yes But like eventually the idea of like an auto GPT I think even they've mentioned this in there in their keynote that at some point in time You're gonna be able to give chat GPT plus like an open-ended task and it's gonna go figure out which GPT's to use to accomplish that task and maybe multiple and maybe you know in multimodal is definitely the future of Chat GPT, right and the other things that also is gonna allow you to do is charge for your GPT So there's going to be thousands or you know Hundreds of thousands of these GPT's made but what's come back to your ability to market yourself? Like how many products have been iterations of products that currently exist? But they end up being actual products that people use because they learn how to market and sell it So that same kind of concept is gonna apply here Yeah Or if you can market your GPT in a good way through social content or what-have-you Then you can take it forward and I mean if one of the clients that we're working with right now We're literally going in and helping them fine-tune their ICP and then from there We're then creating a GPT that we input the ICP into and this GPT basically Ideal customer profile Who are we trying to sell to and then we're putting it in there and basically the end result is Instead of having to go out in a sales rep go and find prospects and find people that are Going to fit into the ICP of this client. Well in this case now you can just hit one button it'll give you a whole list of businesses within the US that are specifically matching that ICP then you can obviously go connect that to you know an instantly or A zoom info and find that contact information I mean that's gonna save you a ton of time and obviously it's significantly increased revenues. So how did you leverage AI to build a weekly? dot big cheese Yeah, so if you go to a weekly dot big cheese dot AI And and I think it's a good example of how you need to kind of think through when you're gonna be building AI into your Product. So what's nice about the weekly is that it's a controlled Schedule and so what happens is takes anything that's a kind of AI related pulls that down make sure we don't already have that saved if it doesn't we basically take it and we run it through a Prompt to go and extract a bunch of information from each of these articles So this is gonna we actually go and pull down the whole HTML of the website and if you're ever thinking about doing this where you want to go pull website I find that if you go take a website and you convert the HTML to markdown you save yourself a ton of space Right and ton of context window using AI ish stuff to can do that conversion. No, so I'm actually Using some NPM library that basically takes down Now I do you know So I use markdown for virtually everything now just because it's like once you have it in the markdown format We can get it to HTML. Yeah, it's more transferable, right and but we can then go from HTML to markdown as well So it's just this really kind of nice way and it's fairly compact so anyway, I basically take that markdown of the website and I asked chat GPT give me and that's where that JSON schema comes into Play because I was like give me, you know any relevant links. Give me any interesting facts Give me a summary about what it is Give me a rating give me blah blah blah blah and then we take that and we store that up into the database And so that's what actually powers like when you when you actually look at weekly dot big cheese dot AI is that all of that? Is actually dynamically generated through chat GPT, but it only happens You know at a consistent manner It's not like I just have anybody that can go and all of a sudden we have you know 100,000 people asking chat GPT for turbo ticket because I go up so I mean I'm already paying like 30 40 bucks a month Just for a lot of these, you know, a lot of the things that are kind of going on in terms of it So all the random. Yes It's crazy Brandon's life I took so I took big I took the weekly dot big cheese. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Okay went to the website copied and pasted into a GPT called newsletter generator, but you only do you only give it the URL? No, no. No, I gave it the content. Okay, and I just said hey It has some context of what you're trying to get out of a newsletter. It can design a newsletter I can give you content, but I just said give me a newsletter. Yeah, okay. I took I Put that content in there because here's the thing about newsletters. It's not just the summaries and the links It's the it's the takes It's the it's the unique content and perspective you bring to that and so I was like, please take this Let this content and create a most the most clickbait Headlines and and summaries you can possibly create based off this content and sure enough it returns these emojis these Exclamation point, you know the you know, is this the you know, is this the end of the world? You know This click base and then we said the same thing like do the same thing with the context of AI is the worst You're so you're so down on AI and it did the exact same thing now in that case it it kept you're using the same Thing over and over like cost or something. I don't know but it was like you ran out of ideas cuz AI is awesome But I thought that was a really cool interesting use of GPT's the other Interesting thing that Andre and I just ran into was it was on a YouTube video From Wes GPT. He's on YouTube cool, dude, I guess but there's a GPT called GPT prompt fixer. Oh So so you tell it's a GPT on it on top of a GPT When you go to chat GPT, you can add these as your favorites. Yeah on the left sidebar Whatever, but you got a GPT prompt fixer and you tell it what you want your GPT to do and then it'll iterate You just sit there and watch it iterate for a few minutes fine-tuning and creating GPT for you. Okay. Yeah, so it allows you to get way better results than you otherwise would so if someone's listening this podcast And they go to chat GPT and they want to go create their first GPT your first GPT is gonna be less good than your second GPT So there's like a learning curve to it and like how to actually prompt it Well, will that GPT fixer basically get you from zero to I assume ten much faster than he would if you were like You know trying to just do it by hand cuz I actually did that where I was looked again with the ICP And it was kind of getting me where I wanted to go but not exactly and that fixer would have it got me all the Way to the end result and I think that the thing I'm seeing is How do you eat the elephant one bite at a time? So like they're breaking up the problem into sequences a lot of the times So does that kind of replace the need for I mean, maybe not but the need for cheat sheets Like these are very popular, right like Send me your email and I'll give you my chat GPT GG Why don't get so much spam it's weird. Yeah, it's gonna be a GPT cheat sheet. What's just a list of GPT's that you can use? These guys that create all these these these videos they have nothing else to do but sides talk about jet GPT I'm like what work are you actually getting done? So for the people out there that actually have to get work done This is like your go-to. Yeah, right if you're you know, so I Just think that a lot of the content coming out is like here's how you could do but here's show me in practice You're in practice how this can be done The clickbait is like do this thing in 12 seconds And the reality is like no in 12 seconds get a good starting point and then can do the work You would have done but end up with a way better result. Yeah, absolutely Aside from the GPT's which obviously we'll come back to we do have a situation talk about just in the situation is our YouTube comments the situation is Situation is so we started the big cheese podcast. Well, I go about a month and a half ago And we're posting a short every single day We're just our go-to-market is all the social medias and YouTube and we're growing But along that has some some growing pains and we're getting some pretty fun comments blame Andre's completely clickbait headlines Yeah Exactly how do we get people to click on something and take an action right so Elon Musk Yeah, you put Elon Musk in it and you're bound to get a few thousand views But Brandon you had some thoughts on these comments that are coming. No, I think they're hilarious So the YouTube YouTube people are savages. So we have a bunch of people saying that you look like Benjamin Button Alright, basically because I have a baby face. He has a baby face We have a bunch of old dudes talking about AI that's been around forever Right, like yeah, so no, I just I think it's friggin hilarious Okay, the dude the dude out there that said AI has been around for decades is completely lost like Here case in point sure AI has been around we talked about it in our first or second podcast These concept have been around. Yeah neural networks but has it gone mainstream from a You know production you like right is it all right? Yeah, we're using this stuff. Yeah Transistors have existed for a while. So like something It comes down to the accessibility and user experience they created The whole reason why we're here today is because Altman and his dudes created an app that actually interacts properly Yeah stuff and now makes it accessible for the rest of the people. Yes, absolutely existed. Yes You could go through already ass did some data science and made a machine learn how to make a picture of an Apple Tell it was an Apple a good for you. Yeah, but did you make? 300 million people changed the way that they're doing business exactly and that's that's the huge that's that's the big difference and so No, I get I love the comments. I think they're hilarious. I don't like when they're attacking, you know, Dre I just try to encourage it You're liking their stuff you're putting up videos and all that so yeah props to you on being able to handle it But yeah, they're just a bunch of assholes and I love it. Yeah, YouTube comments are YouTube comments No, but we've gotten a lot of good feedback from real humans on the on the podcast and our goal is to try to continue to Keep things fresh. I think from a GPT perspective. I don't think we've covered a more applicable like now applicable Like thing if we've to all the things we talked about since we started I think that you're this this new version of chat GPT and the whole theory of if it is gonna be built with AI It's gonna be built with chat GPT continues to win. Yeah, right the one though that I think the the the the GPT That is the biggest Example for where businesses can take this though is the sticker whiz So sticker whiz is backed by sticker mule calm and mu le calm and you can just go to sticker mule upload your PDF or upload your image or whatever and get stickers but they Chat you and chat you to be created the GPT sticker whiz where you just go in and you basically give it us and it Generates a sticker and then you can order said sticker from sticker mule. You're talking about a new Input type. Yeah, you have the mouse. Yeah, you have the keyboard you have the voice you have the and then you have the Google You know the the different things right now you have the GPT Yeah And that is a literally a new way of interacting with computing right and the environment's like being able to go to Kind of the things that Amazon and Shopify did e-commerce. Mm-hmm Yeah, it's the same thing for it's gonna be the same thing except for even more crazy, right? Can I say something really quick Brandon? You just brought something up that I think is I don't want us to look over this, right? so stick sticker mule sticker mule sticker mule created a Sticker mule created a way to get inbound sales By creating a GPT that allows people to create really good stickers and then they order those stickers through sticker mule thus Sticking roll makes more money, right? That is blew my mind. Yeah, now we're talking about an entirely new marketing and distribution Shirt or a sticker website and try to do your own Absolutely, but think about this like the future One of the examples of how these GPT's we use once they're widely adopted is you're gonna have current companies just creating these Apps in this app store that create inbound leads and you can make sales through that is been trying to do so far They're like, okay. I have an open AI API key. I'm gonna build this into my app And now and and and so sticker mule could have just said, okay We're gonna use dolly and then you're gonna go to sticker mule comm and it's gonna call out to dolly, right? Right? Well, there's friction there. Yeah, right. There's tech debt there. Yeah, so so you're going now they're going. Oh, you know what? Our entry point actually isn't our website. It's that it's the platform It's kind of anything that can be built on with AI will be built with a bill with AI on chat GPT That's a probably a pretty Strong statement that is probably gonna be pretty accurate just because it's the ease of use. It's the ball about user experience Yeah, I kind of think about it like the Google products card to where like, you know You could expose your API or your products to that and then from Google you can give the listings You can click buy now basically or there's chow and there's all sorts of ways that from a search engine you can purchase something Right reducing friction like traditionally people would think Oh The Amazon model which was revolutionary was the buy now the click one click button now It's just taking it. These are just like the next evolutions of what you said reducing friction Yeah, reduce if you reduce friction what our attention spans are low Yeah, if you can continue to reduce that I'm gonna keep clicking by now Yeah, well totally and I think it just it's so much better than this is the way that I'm thinking better right now So you have a situation where for the past X amount of years people have had marketing websites and the whole point of a marketing Website was to display information about your company your product or your service Well, what's came along the path since these things that came out because they have different buying personas So then we have you know really good tech people that have spin up a new landing page for the specific archetype and the whole point of Doing all of that is to specifically resonate and talk to a user about how you can solve their problem well the best way to communicate to user how you can solve their problem is for them to tell you what their problem is and then For the GPT to give them a very easily digestible answer on how your product can specifically help them and so you think about that like That becomes the I think for startups. It's like okay You're going on to a sales call and all you're trying to do on that sales call is find what their pain point is And like that's the whole idea behind the sales Methodologies is how do I get the real pain that you're feeling so I can actually create a solution for you Well now you can kind of automate that process, right? You can have it understand your whole corpus of everything your product can do have someone just type in here is my problem And then it can give you the actual solution Specific to that product that you're trying to sell. That's pretty good. I'm yours What sticker mules competitive it like what do they do? they Probably print good sticker designs and get it to you and you're in the mail quickly Yeah, yeah, so custom designs. They do come to your mailbox quickly I don't know never I've heard of them But I didn't but at the end of the day they want to make stickers and they want to send the stickers to their customers They don't care how the stickers are ordered or what they look like Well, they want them to actually they do care what they look like because they want the product to be good Which we know dollies great because we proved it that it's the best image generation model on the market. Yeah, but Yeah, yeah, there are a few of them we went through the mid journey and the comparisons don't like three here's okay So I yes, I would have agreed with that a while ago because of the whole chat GPT interface So you can just describe what you want because you bet is also rewriting your prompt to be badass Yeah, you should check out imagine Metas new one. It was pretty. Yeah, I thought that one was particularly good. I just don't realistic. I love Instagram So I'm a complete I'm just well, you're about to get imagine on Instagram according to there Stream is a disease that I am The best thing that happened to me was I actually locked myself out of my Instagram for like six months Because I like you have to send a picture with you and I just learned too much about cooking on Instagram because I'm all cooking Are you oh, yeah. Okay. So the algorithm has you tag now? I just learned so much about do you bake or just cook? I mean a little bit of baking do you making in there? It started with barbecue and then I went to Like culinary dishes type, you know, like that kind of stuff, but I can't get off Instagram But it's so addictive and so terrible for you, but going back to circle me I was just saying it's like what's your unique value proposition as your company if you can create an input that gets you on to Chat GPT. All right, that's a market for you. Yeah, that's a good point. Not every business is Gonna be a good fit for you know, this is a hammer Not everything's a nail But if you do have something that they can reduce the friction of and it's a purchase, you know a streamlined thing Yeah, absolutely think that the best so a best the best use case I would think is so you're you're you're an e-commerce Play, let's say H&M they make clothes right and their clothes are affordable But one of the things is they have lots of different styles of clothes, right? So you would say okay the product manager goes to H&M e-commerce and says we want to build AI into our product you go Okay, great. We're gonna build a search bar And it's gonna do a great job searching through our products. Mm-hmm, right? And that's the that's what we're gonna do and it's gonna and I'm a good work Yeah, and they can add intent like I want a free-flowing Casual summer top, you know Here's the point what you could do and probably Get just as much value out of and lower your in or just as another angle I would say that argue that this would be just another angle. It's just another angle. It's another it's another it's a new user It's a new type of input. It's a new type of user. Just build a GPT H&M's GPT I want I want slim fitting jeans I want your I want the jeans that I can never find on the site because it can never find anything there that are actually slim fitting and Here's my size and and I want to and might as well instead of giving me a link to the page Just let me buy it. Yeah, and that's something we've been talking about as a team as well for those who are listening to podcast We've been kind of inching on this idea, but we are gonna start offering this kind of service so an example of what that service can be is let's say that you are a Apparel company and you're looking for a new distribution channel Obviously you want to increase your sales and one of the things that I specifically have dealt with especially when I used 20 weeks ago. I weighed a hundred more pounds than I do now It was kind of really hard to find clothes and so it would be nice if I could have a GPT that DXL created because that's where I used to shop and I could put in I'm looking for this kind of style during this time of the year and then give me the kind of clothes that I'd want about Customer personas your customer persona in a year isn't gonna be Your your Google Analytics footprint. It's gonna be your personal prompt, right? Yeah, so created on your own. So if you're if you're a company that wants to Turn on this channel of using GPT's as an inbound Strategy. Well, we can help you do that. We can help you create the GPT We can help you set up the marketing to actually get the word out there I almost wonder though if it shouldn't be that there is there's a an aggregator that is doing it So it's H&M it's DHX or whatever. It was its gap It's you know, 10 or 15 different providers for fashion, you know that you then can go and have a conversation of what your style Let's figure out just you the best prices Incorporate some I think that's a pretty good idea for a product Brandon create more acquisition and consolidation Well Google is already set up for this. It's like this doesn't Blackrock just don't always Yeah, no, but you're right like to your point, you know, it lends itself to okay expose your API with all of the data points So we so Google most likely can build a database of the thing the type of the thing and then Add that and they can do that too. So so one of the things when you're building these GPT's if you're technical So if you're not technical you can just ignore everything I'm about to say, but if you're technical you can actually provide Your API spec so that can be in swagger or open API to the this GPT It can handle and they can handle and they can understand. Oh, so the users asking for this I see that there's a lookup for how much bigger is the context window from the original version of chat GPT to now Is it the original I think was like 4800. How is it? 8,000 for the four turbo pre talking about the difference between the 2800 bod And a t1 and the t1 right like we're huge so that the There there we were celebrating like three four or five days You know, maybe it's a 30th the year anniversary of GPT of chat GPT Yeah, like we're only a year into this. So what we're doing with big cheese is we're rolling out a workshop Service and because the reality is is a lot of these companies and everywhere we talk to they know they want to incorporate AI They just don't know. What does that actually look like? so our workshops are designed to go through your business to understand your business and to say this is like five four or five different areas that AI could be incorporated and we'll actually go through and we'll do some real-life tests, you know specifically probably with the playground where we go through and we prove out some of these concepts and then the end result of that workshop is a real-world statement of work that tells you exactly how long things are gonna take to build you can we can build them using our own team or You could take that to your own development shop and do it But the main objective is to really understand how how your company can leverage AI And and how to actually build that out. So that is one of the workshops that we're doing with big cheese I'm Andre Harakas joined by Sean Hise Jacob wise and Brandon Corbin. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you