s04 e05 – All AI is slop!

Just don't move. All right, we're all horn. All right. Welcome back everyone to the Big Cheese AI podcast. Today is October 30th. It's Halloween is tomorrow, 2025. Happy Halloween. I guess we got to just quickly ask are you are you dressing up as anything for Halloween. I know you're not Brandon. No. I know. No, nothing. This year, you're not doing what? Where? Aren't you some kind of couple thing? Yeah. Yeah. We went to a party. Butter and toast or something. We're bread and bread and no, what the hell are we? Oh, we're bread winner. I was I had a bread costume like a loaf of bread and she had a bunch of Olympic medals. And by the way, congratulations on the wedding. Jacob is now officially married and that was a wonderful, beautiful service. Thank you. Yes, we were at the wedding. Jacob got to go to Italy and Brandon and I recorded a podcast by ourselves. And it was. You didn't bring this place down? No, I didn't. Yeah, we've been working on the studio. It's getting better. Let's get right into it. So it's been, it's been an interesting, it's been an interesting couple months, weeks. There's all kinds of things going on in the, I guess, with the big, bigs. But let's talk, we're going to talk today about, you know, some of the things that affect us during the day as in our work with AI and some of the things that we're putting out there and some of the things that we're getting from other people. And I kind of suggested this topic because I just keep seeing this term all over the place. I found out it was coined and I'm way behind. So this was like first coined with May, May 2024. And it's the concept called AI Slop, right? And let's just get into it really quick. We see it every single day, all this stuff that we're getting, whether they're emails, their Twitter posts, their code that we're writing. We're seeing things that are good. We're seeing things that are bad. And eventually, we're seeing some things that are just straight up slop. So let's just quickly, we'll start with like how do we define Slop? Why is people focusing on that term? And how is it affecting like what we're doing?

• So I think the problem with the concept of Slop is that it's very subjective to the end user. So a lot of times when you have people who are novice who are building things, they're gonna build something and they're gonna be like, "Oh my God, look how cool." Like I actually built this. And you're gonna get that high from building it. you know, it's working, it's doing all that stuff, but you just don't know that it's actual slop. You don't, you, 'cause you don't know what you don't know yet. And so there's this whole new movement of people that are coming in who are like, just jumping on the bandwagon and whether that's generating images that are just like, they're like, oh, look, I've got some certain people in my family who do this where they'll generate images and they'll think it's the greatest thing ever because they came up with this analogy and then they turned it into an image and it's shit. And it is, it's shit. And it's just like, I get it. Like I get where you're going with it. But if you would have spent, I don't know, 10 more minutes in generated 15 more iterations of this, you would have had something that was a lot better. But AI allows you to basically say, oh, this is good enough. And maybe that's what it is. Like before we would have called it that it passes a sniff test. You can smell it and you're like, yeah, it's not bad. It passes a sniff test. It's good. Now with everybody being able to generate that the sniff test is going to change and it's going to have to smell a way better than it has ever smelled before. Jacob. Yeah. I mean, I agree. And I think you put like a time or like a time constraint of like how much time or energy did you put into generating it? Right. I think that is the subjectiveness is the important part where like I would define AI slop as a with as having intent. like a low effort generation of content with the intention to do something, maybe not in a farce, but like looking at like fake viral videos that are AI Slop or fake due diligence on Reddit where they haven't really been putting in the information or any thought into something. But it looks like they did. Yeah. And they're trying to look smarter or to do something or to gather attention, upboats or whatever without actually putting any, I think intent matters because, yeah, I mean, yeah, someone who's not artistic can make something that appears to be artistic to them, that they couldn't make before, but if they didn't intend to like deceive someone, I'm just like, yeah, you just aren't as talented creatively.
• Well, but okay, so, but I think that that actually brings up an interesting point though, because there is still, so that seems more of like like a manipulation that I was trying to do versus just slop. Right? And that's where I look at it. Is that slop is just, I produced growing up as I started getting into my career of creating things like I created a ton of slop. And I had to because that's what you do is you generate slop and then you slowly start going, oh, wait a minute, oh, wait a minute. And I think that that maybe is what for me as slop is more about the work product that your doing is just not to the level of what you would have when you become a professional.
• Yeah.
• Some people will go even further to the road that Jacob's going down in terms of slot being like spam.
• Sure, sure.
• Okay, so right now I've noticed on Reddit, I'm on this paranormal subreddit 'cause I like ghosts and shit. Are you on the paranormal subreddit?
• Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• Well, some people are making up, really other on there, yeah. I don't, I still don't know how Reddit works. (laughing) I really don't. But there's some outlander stories that people have posted about something that happened to them.
• Yeah.
• And the first response on some of these posts are, that's AI slop, nice slop.
• Yeah, for real.
• Yeah. And it's, there's a concept of it being unwanted.
• Yeah.
• Oh for sure.
• Well, in your deceiving, so I, not paranormal, or whatever, but there was another subreddit that's like, you know, they're just telling a story of like, can you believe, am I the, whatever, am I the asshole or something like that?
• Oh yeah, that's a great one.
• And like, you know, it used to be, may have some people might write a story and it's like a creative writers exercise to like test their work, but you know, what the intent of these subreddits is like, tell your true story of what happened to you and then let the community decide if that was, if you're the asshole or not. And then you get a lot of these like AI generated people who are farming for what Karma on Reddit or likes on Twitter or whatever, or retweets whatever the hell people do on Twitter. I don't, I got off there. Well yeah, I mean like, again, I think that goes back to intent and like, you know, yeah, I spam is definitely trends towards spam. And those are the offenders that I think, I think there's two things here. One, there's fear that AI is gonna take everybody's job, which is based in reality. And then there's also just like frustration of like, I get so many emails every day that's just like, hi, I noticed that you are good at digital transformation projects, they look fantastic. Can we meet for coffee and I'm just like, or whatever. And I'm just like, oh my gosh, this is the sloppiest email I've ever seen.
• So there's a, so there's a, someone who actually wrote about this and you can tell they did not use AI to write the article. And there's two points, we'll start with the quote. So I don't like reading obviously AI-generated content on Twitter. There's a derogatory term for its slop, which means something like AI content presenting itself as human or even just unwanted AI content. But I have no problem reading AI-generated content when I talk to copiler chat GPT. Right. Well, duh, but that's kind of the point though that we're getting at. Where I think when we talk about slop, it's like a human puts a deliverable together and presented it to another human. And it was obviously just generated by AI. And it wasn't necessarily, or that's the perception. The perception is that it was, that you're almost, not, you spamming is in the right word, 'cause spam has to do with what, like, like, material that they're trying to push onto you. Right, right. But from a, from a, from a deliverable perspective, I've given, given PRDs for products where someone was just trying to check the box. Okay, so let's double click on this a bit. Because what I'm wondering is so that PRD and the documents that that junior guy who you work with who put the all his effort into writing this shitty SPRD, he comes back and you don't necessarily have the heart to tell him that this is kind of mid, right? Like it's fine, it's whatever. It was slop, right? But we, because we actually care about other people and we actually don't want to necessarily hurt feelings, we don't necessarily call it slop, we just be like, yeah, okay, whatever, you can improve. But because it's AI, kind of going back to how I treat AI, like again, I would never treat a human or even an animal the way that I treat AI, right? Like I mean, I lose my fucking mind and I call it the worst things you could possibly think of. Like if there's ever an uprising, I'm guaranteed that it's like, they're coming for me. And I wonder if there might be another thing here where it's like now we've just, what basically what we're seeing when we call a slop is just it's mediocre work. Like you didn't really think through this. Like you just went and you did the bare minimum and you turned it in and that's fine. Like that's what the majority of America does, but it's still slop and now we're seeing it with AI and it's like if you're gonna fucking cheat with AI, then go and do it, but make it not fucking slop.
• Yeah and Sean's quote about the, You're okay with reading AI from chat GPT or whatever, but you're not okay with a tweet being presented being from a human. So what if the value out of both pieces of text were the same? Then the reality is we don't like being deceived, right? Right. There is, and there is a perceived value in humans' effort to do the thing. So if the outcome is the same, but we thought a human spent time and their energy doing it, um, we will read it because we care about humans, right? But if then we find out a bot data and they didn't do any in it, but it still was valuable or what it was under the premise of like this piece of information was valuable to me, you know, and that's interesting to me. One, um, and I'm just like, what's the difference? To me, it's what you were talking about. Someone who takes a shortcut to give a deliverable or to give, to disseminate information and it's wrong. And it's, the shortcut is just like, it's taking more of my time, right? Like I'm okay with someone using AI to write the PRD. If they brought great requirements to it and they're using AI more as like, make this clear to understand.
• Totally.
• You know, organize it better. Like what AI's good at, right? But if you're starting from the point of, I don't actually know what I'm doing, so just go do it for me.
• Well, like what we're just talking about before we got into the podcast is talking about the planning feature of cursor, right? So I think if there's a similar analogy here, is that saying, hey, we're gonna have the AI, hey, here's the thing we're gonna go do, we're gonna work on this, go ahead and break down your plan, figure it all out for me, tell me what the fuck you're gonna do. And then I'm gonna go read that plan. And then I'm gonna be like, oh, you were totally wrong on this part, on this part, on this part, and now I'm gonna go execute. You just mitigate its slop. Is the way that I think of it, really? 'Cause like if we just said, 'cause how many people I've watched, there's certain people that are out there that are like promoting that AI can do everything, and they're giving these like sessions to people, and so the example that they gave is like, "All right, I'm gonna go build up my PRD," and then the AI comes back with a lot of questions, and every answer that he gave that for the questions is you decide, you decide, you decide, you decide, I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ, that's the problem. Like you don't even know what you don't know yet. And I think that there's a lot of overlap there in that space where it is. That's what we're rubbing up against. Yeah. But so one quick thing on just the overall slot concept for Diggin' All Deeper is I think that people are becoming much better at identifying something that's AI generated and looking at it with a derogatory mindset, especially for being presented if it's from a human. And also I think that--
• Why do you think that?
• I think because it doesn't read well. Like especially like a story or a long-form post. I think with the way when you read it, you're like there's just something wrong with this. It's like, it's like--
• On a kidney valley.
• Yeah, it's like, you know, like when people like, oh, they're so reptilian. You know they walk into the room, it's like the main and black. You know the main and black knocks on your door, right? And there's just something wrong with him. Like one of his eyes is fucked up. He doesn't walk right. Like he'd, you know, they talk about that all the time. Is like how to identify a minimum black. It's like, they're not a human. Something's weird. They don't act like a human.
• But yeah, I agree. But also not about the reptilian shit.
• He's, he's, he's Sean's going deep on the Reddit.
• Yeah, I know. - So, no, no.
• He knows what I'm saying, no polite.
• They're reptilians. - There's something off. But also, your cartons are reptilian. We've also gone, there's enough, and for me, enough slop out there that everyone's been burned by something they thought was quite an quote real. And then they were told it was. Have you seen that cam footage? So I guess like security camera footage is notorious for being AI because it's grainy and it's easier to trick. So that's also some cat, the one about the cats running around on the woman's head at night. You know what I'm not sure?
• Do you see it?
• Yeah, this one.
• The Sora videos, man, they're getting scared.
• Dude, good.
• I do pride myself on having a pretty keen eye. I watched it and I was like, oh, that's crazy. I moved on. Didn't even cross my mind that that could've been AI generated. And then it came out that it was AI generated. And I was like, there's a feeling you have of deception and feeling vulnerable or like, oh my god. That can trick me.
• So Sora, I think we've crossed the chasm to where we can no longer believe video. With what Sora is producing, the number of videos that have got me, because now people built the Sora Watermark remover, which is like, which is the most dangerous fucking technology ever. But those videos, man, and I fallen now into old people,
• I think it's chiropractic AI videos from Sora Talk.
• And so literally every video I have is some old lady who gets frigging elbow drop in a chiropractic environment gets folded in half. And I'm laughing my ass off. And so this is the first time where I'm like, I heard them talking about that open AI is gonna basically be releasing a TikTok competitor that's all gonna be AI driven. and everybody's like, well, no one's gonna wanna do that, dude. Or the big foods who are running through the forest, those are fucking funny. And there's comedians and there's people who are out there who are actually truly talented, who are able to take a story, who are able to fold a story, be able to use the AI to generate things that are truly novel. And those are gonna be the people who are gonna fucking crush this new thing, whatever it's coming out.
• Yeah.
• I talked to, that's interesting to say that. I was with the CEO group yesterday and one of the people that's in it, a wife wrote a book and the first, I guess the first draft of the book was pretty rough, but she used chat GPD heavily to rewrite a few of the chapters to help her structure it. So she didn't just slap it out, went through an iterative process. And it gets back to how do you avoid slap? What's the solution here? going to sit here in the plane, right? No. There's a way to avoid it. It's by, it's by not just putting out the minimum effort, putting out a prompt and expecting a perfect result. It's about iteration. It's about planning. If you're coding, which is what we do, you have to create a plan that has that you review. Right. Right. Sorry. He's just, I don't know what the fuck he's doing over here.
• He's just keeps saying slop and then I was thinking of the Tim Robinson skip where they do the sloppy mistakes.
• Oh God.
• If I slop it up boys, I just looked at that.
• He's over here smiling.
• I can't even listen to you because he's--
• This is mall, right? (laughing)
• Yeah, be a think about it. This is the mall.
• This is the mall. (laughing)
• So Tim Robinson. Okay, so switch gears. So another tweet, it got a big reaction, and I'll try to pull it up here actually. Let's go, I'm probably not even logged in. So you guys know that guy used to work at Google, Luke Robble-Ralski, big UIUX guy that's really famous.
• Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• He's really good dude.
• Right, right, right.
• Yeah, Robleski, I've never known how to say his name. I only knew him through Twitter.
• Yeah, his, Luke. Luke, was that it? Oh yeah. He posted this tweet on October 20th. Design teams are not ready for the new reality. And he presents this image, which is just a GitHub contribution graph. And I'm sure it's his GitHub contribution graph. And he's a designer. He's a UIUX. He's a quality guy. Like he's the guy that self-amidally tweets. He's like, every weekend, me and my children, we pick one drawer to reorganize. You probably walk into this guy, you know, it's white wall. Like it probably doesn't have to color in his own.
• It looks like an apple.
• He probably has one fork, you know?
• It's like, it is perfect. It's like the most brilliantly designed fork ever.
• Yeah, he's like a Johnny Ive, except for everyone who doesn't drink wine. Right? Like one of those guys, super annoying. I don't know if you guys were ever went to school with UI UX designers, they're all annoying. Right? Just like absolutely. The human computer interaction study, it's like, go code something.
• I'm feeling personally attacked.
• Yeah, yeah. The anyone who went to art school can fuck off.
• I called you Martin design representative.
• No, but I'm totally kidding. But it's a different discipline. You know it's a totally different discipline. Right? There's, you know, you do Reese, you go into all this, You don't just start coding. You do plan stuff. You have all this stuff. So anyways, he is pro AI. He's one of those people that's figured it out. I'm sure. He always has, but he tweeted the day later response. And he said, the three most common responses from design teams on this post, AI coding agents make dev teams way more productive, as essentially what he's saying is, one, our rule has changed. We're increasingly focused on aligning the work of developers after Atlantis into the cohesive world instead of doing it beforehand with mockups. Two, we're faster now. We're also faster now with the designers. We are two using AI for code tools to prototype unless often ship code, fix bugs, and production. Three, it's just faster slop, because AI makes developers faster, doesn't mean it makes it good. So those are the three responses he got. And he threw the slop word was the one that caught on.
• Right. Thoughts. So it's a loaded question, right? Because the reality is, is I think that everybody could be accelerated with AI. There's no question about it. But just like what social media has done for everything, I'll say, amplifies all of the extremes. And I think AI is gonna do a very similar thing. Where again, you can get in there, you can leverage it and you can really go and fucking rocket ship yourself. There's gonna be a lot of people that don't do it. And then they're gonna be kind of judgmental on those that do do it. And that's not necessarily fair. And again, my whole angle now with everything that we're doing as America, as a country, is gonna be the middle way. So if I'm doing any arguments, if I'm doing battles with anybody, it's gonna be trying to find the middle fucking way. Because that's the only way that I see us being able to move forward. because that pendulum, everybody's just gonna keep kicking this fucking ball. - Yeah, the pendulum here is AI is slop. Right. - The other pendulum is, if you don't use AI to write your code, your doom, your doom.
• Right. - And go ahead, David.
• I was just gonna say, you guys, Kabard saying AI is gonna solve all, it's gonna come up with novel medicines, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then he's got a video of him using AI to turn on his fucking toaster. (laughing) And it's like, oh cool. That was like definitely a big time stock for me. Have you guys seen, have you guys? (laughing) Have you seen, have you guys?
• Have you seen Neo that? Have you seen Neo?
• It's tele-operated.
• No.
• You didn't know that?
• No way.
• You got full, see, you got full, by robot A and S. (laughing)
• You fucker.
• Okay, so tell us a little bit about Neo.
• So for $49,000 a month or $20,000.
• So Neo, everybody woke up to Neo on all of the, I mean, they must have spent millions of dollars on this. And that guy is the CEO is this like Swedish surfboard look at mother fucker. I'm pretty sure it's a girl. Is it not? No, I don't think so. I mean, I see. Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't want to gender him. No, it looks like he just works out. Okay, anyways, the the neo home robot ordered today, every single thing in this demo was teleoperated. I saw the piece where they were talking about that. If you need to do, have it do chores that are not trained within the system, that you can go into expert mode and that it actually then pulls in the telematics person who's going to watch you while you train a jerk you off or whatever you're going to have it do. Do you see this? No. Just pure and manoeu, rabat with two extra batteries. They have altered the body. No, it's going to happen. I'm telling you guys, like we were on the precipice here of where it's not going to be awkward to talk about the sex that I have with my robot, little butler. Jarvis is going to get railed in the next five years. I guarantee it.
• Thanks for sponsoring.
• Thanks for sponsoring.
• Thanks for sponsoring some of 'em, oh god, I wish we could show this screen right now.
• And you could see the screen.
• So there's one where it's just Neil And it's a picture and it's the wife of Mia just like, Piff, it's like you and you're on your, on your Mia sending you pictures when you're on a road trip. And it's just like, don't even do it.
• Have you seen the, okay. So, so have you guys, have you guys seen the text message exchanges between like, boyfriend's and girlfriends? Where like a girlfriend will be like, hey, the plumber came over and then she sends a picture and it's AI of her with a shirtless plumber guy. Like a very ripped good looking guy. And the boyfriend's like, why is he shirtless? And then it just gets progressive. First of all, I think that's a really bad thing to do. If you're in a relationship, I would not pretend. But anyway, they get worse and worse. And the boyfriend's just like panicking. He's like, tell him I'll be there in five minutes. (laughing) Tell him, get him off of our bed. Why is he in our bed? It's just like, oh my God. I watch these kids who do this with this homeless guy. I'm so nervous. I was like, "Bombs homeless guys here." They're like, "Don't let 'em in." And then he's sitting at the kitchen table. They're like hanging out with me.
• Is it all fake? - Yeah.
• It's all fake, dude. It's all just kids trolling their fucking parents with AI-jittering. - Oh, so they're generating AI-jittering?
• Oh my god, it is so hilarious.
• Okay, by the way, we're watching a video of NeoTry to close this dishwasher. It's just fucking epically failing. It cannot close the six of us.
• Oh my God, I'm going to jump.
• Oh, that's this is about my favorite tweet. The mineo will rob your new, and it's anything turned in. They've given it a chain.
• Yeah, that's racist.
• So, there's--
• Oh, there we go. Okay, there we go. If it could--
• Give me my size.
• It's 499.
• I'm on.
• I would pay 500 bucks a month if it could give me my size every now. Give me a size of your prostate, and it's totally going to work.
• Dude, like--
• For 499 though, So, but what's quite, what's wild about this is that they've really actually, so they beat, they beat Elon to the punch on what's this thing called? Oh, shit. And those were all remotely recorded. Those were all fake too as well, right? So it was the Wall Street Journal that came out and exposed that everything in the demo was bullshit. Yeah. What do you remember what Tesla's Maribots were called? What the hell were they? 'Cause they had that whole optimist, optimist. Yeah, that was all bullshit, right? Yeah, they are. So basically what what what they're doing is the same thing that rabbit did. Oh, which is they're trying to sell pre-cell these devices that aren't built that aren't real and they're slapping us. Well, was it Amazon? There's wasn't Amazon's cashier list or whatever they called it the store. Yeah, yeah. All people in call centers. They're still there. So you can you can get put your credit card in. Okay, at bankers at Game Bridge Field House and go get a beer. and come out with that beer. That is not AI. There is someone on the other end watching. That's right. That's that that was the angle is that they ended up having like a whole army of people over and there is someone's job in the Philippines in India in Mars. Like I don't want we've outsourced we've outsourced watching a white guy go to a ballgame and get in a beer. So So he doesn't have to check out.
• And pretend-- - And they've got people watching-- - Pretending that it's AI.
• Pretending that it's AI.
• Yeah, because again, that's where the investment is, is that hey, listen, I can actually make this technology that pretends that it's AI, and I'm gonna get a bunch of investments, but it's actually a bunch of fucking humans in India.
• Well, in India-- - Pushing buttons.
• And the reality of it is, is that you have humans do it to train the model.
• Yeah. - Mm-hmm.
• Right. - That's the idea. That's the idea, but I don't know if we actually get there 'cause I could get, so like these agents that I've been building, so I've got a couple clients that I've been working with trying to build some agents and whatnot. And it's been a lot of fun, a lot of learning experiences. And I always think this idea that, well, really, if a user asks a question, you should have an orchestrator. And that orchestrator's gonna be smart enough to say, here's all the tools that I have access to. Here's all the agents that are part of this chat. Go ahead and disseminate all of this information into a task list and tell this guy to do this and do this, and it never fucking works.
• Really?
• It works maybe 75% of the time it actually works. And instead what I have to do is that first shot, I have to go and be actually just use regax to basically say, oh, they actually said track. So use the track agent. Now send them off, and now I can at least be cordoned off into a very specific thing. There's this idea that AI right now is this panacea that can just solve all your problems, is a fool's errand and you're going to get bit by it. And so right now, I think the best way that you can think of what AI is, especially from a developer side. And this is what I've been saying to my clients, is that AI gives you the ability to write magical functions. That's it. Gives you the ability to write a function that you can put some input into and do some wild shit that you've never been able to do with predeterministic code, that you can now do some magic shit and have some magic shit pop out of it. But that's all it's doing. And to pretend though, that it can actually be intelligent and to navigate all of the components, 'cause you just don't know what people are going to ask.
• Yeah, okay, all right, I'll take a one step further. Every person that I interact with, that I, not taking seriously, that thinks they're says they're in the, "I space says the word agent." (laughing) Every person that I know, that is good, and knows what they're doing, does not use that word. Because they don't fucking trust agent.
• Agent Agent AI is a sales tactic.
• Yeah, well think about it, you're right. What are they trying to replace? And maybe eventually these things do. 'Cause your problem is, well you need a more specific model.
• Totally.
• That's trained specifically on what tasks, whatever. But that's why you're asking me, yeah. But we know that, we all know that. But yeah, you're right, like what they're trying to get at is like, hey, enterprises, you have agents, you have people that are doing things.
• That's the agency. Now what if they weren't there? (laughing) What if you just fired a fire?
• You know, and you know, here's the, that is kind of the issue with AI. It's like, did we want to just do the same amount of work?
• Right.
• Did we want to be the same amount of productive? Or did we want to be more productive? Did we want to solve new problems? Or just make sure that a cheaper resource is solving the existing problems?
• Yeah.
• I'm not sure. And maybe that's what Altman's sitting back and going, you guys don't get it.
• Well, we don't get it.
• You'll be doing something else.
• No, we don't get it because the means of, we don't know in the means of production and we've never owned the upside of our production. Like we get a little bit.
• Sure, it's a good point.
• And you can always point, yeah, is our life better today than it was 50 years ago? In a lot of ways, yes. In a lot of very important categories, yes. But we still, like, but it is as good as it could be if we would have gotten, like at least our fair share,
• Let's get Bernie on this.
• Yeah, our fair share of the promise.
• The gig is going all socialist.
• Oh, I met, I met someone from Vermont and I made the mistake of assuming that they liked Bernie and they were just like, ah, he's bad shit, crazy. And I was like, yeah, he totally agree, bye. (laughing)
• The CEO of Waymo has asked, will society accept a death potentially caused by a robot? Response, I think that society will.
• Oh, absolutely. Yeah, no, no, no, there's no question that society will absolutely support a death of AI. No, a death caused by a robot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So the Waymo car is gonna run over somebody, someone's gonna get hit in a Tesla car. Those deaths. Oh, that's a funny habit. Yeah, multiple times. Sorry, like to a point where like the cover-up that they're doing. But this society accepts one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. We have watched. 20 deaths a week. We have watched society not care about how many children get murdered in this country because of guns. because of the way that we've set up our.
• I think if there's one thing that I totally would allow with AI, it's driving. I don't know if you did have never lived in Indianapolis, come here and study the fucking people that drive cars here.
• I'm on 465.
• It's like being in a third world fucking country.
• No, I agree.
• Actually, he's really.
• But then when he's real. (laughing)
• That place is crazy.
• I will say Indy is bad and something happened during COVID where I think it was like nobody was on the streets so you didn't have to obey laws as much. And that just carried forward because I--
• Totally.
• The amount of people I see run red lights is insane.
• I'm a non-red light runner, same.
• Dude, this morning, this morning on a walk, I watch someone and I get it. They're at a light that takes a long time and there's no traffic and you can see very clearly. But I'm like, what is going?
• Yeah.
• But I do agree Indy is bad at Lanna's worse.
• Is it?
• Lanna's way worse.
• I felt, I mean, I liked it there because I was just whipping around and everyone was just whipping, wouldn't they?
• Nobody cares.
• But yeah, Rome was insane. But I actually like how the Italians drive because it's all like gesture and eye contact related. So it's like, you get to a spot that's like, there's no clear like who should go first. You just look at the person and then they're like, yeah, go. And you're not going very fast. That's the other thing. The roads are so small that--
• Exactly. And you're gonna end up hitting your sidebar
• Yeah, you're sitting here together anyway.
• But yeah, people here do drive insane.
• Yeah, and now that they've bumped up the 465 speed limit to whatever it is. It's like, it was 50 and everybody was doing it, A.E.
• Well, yeah, 55 meant 70 today.
• Exactly, and so now we're at 65, 70, whatever it is. And now it's like 104.
• Now we'll go, however fast my car will go.
• Well, and I'm there, I'm that guy. And while we're on the topic here that we have the opportunity to do this for our listeners, that listen, the left lane is for passing and for fast drivers. So if you are happened to be in the left lane and you see a red accurate integral come up on your ass and starts flashing as lights because you're not getting out of the fucking way, realize that you're actually in the wrong. So the left lane, again, this is just a public service announcement from the Big Chees A.I. podcast. The left lane is for passing and for speeding. And if you're not doing either of them, you're wrong.
• Agreed.
• Thank you. (laughing)
• But that's you, AI driving or what we were talking about. I think that it makes a lot of sense that we would have cars. So here's upside. You have every car that communicates with each other and they're aware of their space.
• Right.
• And that's a world I wanna live in.
• Right. Yeah, mass transit would be better. It'd be better if we just had like trains that went everywhere. Okay I Link society picked in like 1897 Yeah, it did but let so let me tell you about this this this this thought experiment that I had as I was driving in force Exy 5 and this is probably about 15 years ago I'm like I think eventually we're going to have a thing where all cars have a coupler on the back of the front that Allow us just to connect to each other and then you can basically distribute all of the energy that's being used across the cars across this entire snake of fucking cars that know I'm gonna be getting off on Keystone here So I'm gonna break away from the system and that it was just this train system that would connect it would never happen Well, that would be interesting and also like how much more efficient would traffic be if we all were aware of like where we're going Right, what you know how fast are we gonna get we're all gonna go if we could go a lot faster We can go 150 miles an hour if we all agree I think the biggest mistake that the reason why America isn't as cool as Europe is because They Built the Model T right and they just Completely lobbied not to create to create roads instead of They should have had that train they should have had that interconnected train system So that we could go to the Cubs game on Friday and come back after the game Well, did you first of all yeah, you knew you know that there was a whole train system throughout the Midwest that connected any NAPLIS Chicago, all the major cities. Also, did you know that Amtrak is slowly building, they're getting better, dude. Like they just released a ridiculously out of date train because it took like 10 years longer than it should have, but it goes from DC to New York. It's awesome, but it's progress. Like riderships up, ridersh, or They're more, they just added a route from like Milwaukee to Chicago. They have the Indianapolis to Chicago runs I think every day, but it takes five hours. So like eventually, it's just gonna take a lot more time. Yeah, and then you get, that's the problem though, is like the way that construction projects work and versus like in China. Like if they wanted to build a fucking railroad in China, they just fucking do it over a weekend. They're literally, literally over a weekend and that thing's gonna go 500 miles an hour and get you from Shanghai to fricking Russia in an hour and a few minutes.
• But to Jago's point, I hope that continues. And it's surprising that it wouldn't because, but everybody's still just continually focused on these, like these very closed off individualistic household based products, right? You're a robot, you're a car. You know, like, oh, we're gonna have your Uber. You know, and it's like, There's just no like New York is like the only fucking city in America that was ever built to sustain that in like the modern modern life. Like people really do use the subway system in New York. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I do think there is like Indianapolis isn't big enough to sustain a subway. That's why we have a bus. It's way cheaper. But they used to have, they used to have what they they call them, it wasn't Trolley's, but they had those, what were they called? Did we have Trolley? Yeah, they had had a word for him, but. If you dig any road downtown, you'll get to rail eventually. Really? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. Twice so fucking expensive to do any construction downtown. Because eventually you get to metal eventually. You do do that. It goes best to you. Where is the ooze? There's apparently an entire underground like the catacombs of Indian
• Yeah, what was to you guys know about this?
• Yeah, underneath the city market, you can still, well, it's close now, but once they reopen it.
• Really?
• Have you been down there?
• No shit, is it pretty cool?
• It is pretty cool.
• It's a musty, but like, it smells like my grandma's basement.
• Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool, it's pretty cool.
• But yeah, now the dream is like, okay, Kay can eat it too. Like, what if we all had our own cars and,
• Right.
• But back to your point from a long time ago, will we accept deaths? And I think as long as the ends justify the means, that's how we operate as a--
• I don't want to.
• Maybe as a society in general, but definitely as an American society. Like, okay, are we making money? Is it actually easier for me to get to my job?
• Totally.
• And we don't care about statistics, 'cause like, to me, it's always been about like, airplane travel, super safe, relative compared to cars.
• Yeah, right.
• Yeah.
• But a plane crash is very devastating, 'cause it's the psychological aspect of it. Same thing with a Tesla blowing up or the camera's breaking and it driving into a tree. I didn't own that. I didn't control that. It's not in my control that's so scary. Even though statistically, I don't know that this is true or not, but I would imagine statistically a Tesla driving on autopilot is safer than any human. Right, right. 'Cause we've got phones and we've got, you know. Yeah. Lots. I'm thinking about like where we're at this crossroads of this anticipation essentially that the world is going to innovate at a pace that's never been seen before. But the problem that I see is that our leadership in the world is not good. Oh God. Right. So you basically have a, the antithesis of progress, but also a, I guess, a fear capitalist mindset, but it's kind of like oligarchy actually. But like, don't want to get too political. But my point is like, remember, you know, 10 to 15 years, you know, we're talking about sustainability. You know, we were talking about green energy. Yeah. We were talking about all this stuff. How do we do more with less, you know, and all that stuff? And with AI, it's like, it's like, there's a fear that that we are going to waste all this energy, right? Like, like, the energy that we're that we're using to solve these problems. What problems are we trying to solve? Right now we're generating slaps and trying to create ubers that, that, you know, non-sustainable technology, right? Like, is having a robot in your home a good way to spend trillions of dollars of capital? Or maybe you should--
• Well, no, no, no, no. I think, you know what I was saying?
• So I think that's a question. Is let's say, for 500 bucks a month, for 500 bucks a month, you can have a robot in your house who's going to do your laundry, who's going to clean up and vacuum and do whatever other things you want. In my case, I'm gonna have sex with a robot. Are you? I knew that that's where this is going. I'm not gonna have sex with a robot. But for 500 bucks a month, dude, when I saw 500 bucks a month, I'm like, I mean, I'm thinking about paying $100 a month to open an eye to chat with it. And I could have this thing fucking do in a rain shit.
• Well, then he, you know, it's funny. So on CMBC this morning, there was a guy and he was just smiling, dude, the whole time. And he was like, he was probably like, I eat a little bit younger. He was probably like between, you know, he's probably, let's say he's 37.
• Right.
• Right, he has, yeah, his slick back hair. And he is, he is a little bit, you could tell, he just, like, he just wasn't like your typical, like, financial analyst. And he, I think he, he either was the co-founder of Plantier, He's a huge investor in planter.
• Right.
• But he was an AI expert, an investing expert, and he was just smiling the whole time, and he would just kept saying, "Crushin' it." "Crushin' it." And it was just like, it just threw me for a loop because I'm like, "Oh my God, the amount of just, this is to a lot of people right now, this is just a financial instrument."
• Right. - It's not an actual thing,
• No. - Right? that's actually trying to solve, I don't know, I just think it, and it's there's just people laughing all the way to fucking bank right now, dude.
• Yeah, dude. Well, and I think you said something about this earlier, but like at some point, we're gonna have to center back on creating value.
• Yeah.
• Like at some point, like we're, okay, I get it, we're on a race to figure out who can, you know, what, AGI, or like who can get build the most data center so that we can build the capacity to do the things You don't know what we're gonna do yet.
• We're heading to a point in life, where you've got people in the city, drive in 1994 to a beat up Toyota Camry's and breaking down the middle of the street. And up north, you've got people flying around and just in one, right?
• Well that's a good toe of the engine.
• And getting their groceries delivered with flying cars. That's literally what we're headed to. We're headed to this post middle class world where like the rich people have these unbelievable toys and lifestyles. - Right.
• And everybody else still can't just, they don't even have a fucking grocery store in their neighborhood. Like somebody's gotta solve that shit.
• I know.
• Because the real supply, the supply of energy is being constrained by, okay, that causes massive inflation. Okay, the world, the consumption levels, and maybe GLP ones are just gonna save the world, right? because the consumption of all food is just going straight to it.
• People are just, people are just,
• People are pressing the stomach shrink button. (laughing) But, oh, did you, oh, did you know? They'll sort of check this out. So, you can take these drugs that make you not hungry, right? Okay, well guess what they're doing next.
• I think they're making your dick bigger.
• Oh, yes!
• Okay, I wasn't going there.
• Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We're real quick, we're real quick. So this is actually a finding that they're fine, And it's not just because all of a sudden the skin starts abstracting and all of a sudden you realize you've got more dick. It's that it's literally adding more dick.
• Well, I would invest in every part of the time.
• I'll say it's on back.
• Everything I ever said.
• There's no invest.
• So, but here's one of the side effects of taking the GLP ones or whatever you call it, that the weight loss drugs is obviously you don't eat, some it gets smaller, but because of that you lose energy and you have muscle loss. So if you can have people that you know that are, I've been on those drugs for a long time, they look different. They don't just look skinny or they look smaller. They look like, they look, they look, it's an eczemic face. Yeah, it's eczemic. It's some of the muscles have started to kind of, well guess what? They're coming out with drugs that offset that side effect and create massive muscle increases. I think they're not steroids. What? They're drugs that are in the same, They're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're drugs.
• Yeah.
• So they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,
• I was just saying, we like that.
• Stereoids are drugs, dude.
• I know, but it's not that type of drug. It's one of that changes your body chemistry. It's figures out how to get your body to create a reaction that it would.
• Does it shrink your dick? (laughing)
• It shrinks your dick.
• Because it is, it shrinks your dick.
• We're living in a world where you, where you got, you got,
• You take the interrexia pills and steroids that don't make your dick small and have people.
• You just paid 250 bucks a month for pills to make you the exact same.
• No, shit, you know, there are people that are gonna be walking around in five years that are jacked, that are skinny, that do not work out, that are, that are, that are, that don't do shit.
• Who have a huge log.
• And their dogs are gonna be held out. (laughing)
• Why do you keep going there?
• Sorry.
• No, seriously.
• Right around their jets and ones.
• Seriously, no, and the difference between, between the, before we would say there's a income disparity between the poor and the rich, right? Like there's gonna be like, we're watching the man, the physical manifestation of that now happen. And you're gonna see it when people can start like, you know, design or ordering their babies, right? When all of a sudden it's like, oh, I can actually pay to have my child.
• And why did that start to begin with, okay, I had, I caught, and this isn't bad. I'm not gonna ever bash something like this, but I have this gene. And this gene is predisposed to this type of cancer. So I'm going to select, I'm going to naturally select my eggs that don't have this gene. And that's going to just keep going. Exactly. I was a small kid and it turned out just OK. But if I could choose my child to be six foot instead of five, eight, I would probably do that. Same. Mike Kielschwebongi, but... (laughing) Well, it was like I was gonna say, oh my gosh, we'll talk about right before that. Big gongs. (laughing) No, no, but no, you're 100% right though, that like again, if you have the choice where you're gonna want your offspring to have an advantage, then you're going to choose that advantage. And just because naturally, that's what we do as humans. So I assume that that's kind of the direction.
• Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was gonna mention Gatica, that was it.
• No, great movie.
• But, and this is where I will always go to, which is like, it's kind of disappointing that humans keep choosing this path. And I think that it is led by American capitalism and American culture at some level. I don't think every culture. - What's the reason?
• The thing is that every time there's an innovation, we just create self-serving technologies.
• Yeah.
• We created Facebook, we created, like.
• Well, I think what you're saying is, Capitalism can only go so far. Like, I love capitalism. It's been really great. I love it a lot and it's gotten, it is the best mechanism that we have to drive innovation. But at some point, if all you're trying to do is squeeze more monthly revenue, recurring revenue out of somebody and not add any more value, it's like, what are we doing?
• Right, and also you're not trying to, you're looking at it from a perspective of what has worked with people that spend money. So you sell products to who, usually businesses or consumers, right? But what we found to be most effective, like what Chatchy PT has found out is that selling to consumers is very effective.
• All right.
• Right? That's their customer right now. Like I'm sure that they've have all these other deals, but at the end of the day, they're focused on the end consumer. They want end consumers to start paying them $20 a month and then they're gonna get more and more. Then they just announced an integration with Etsy and Shopify. Sure. So you can buy directly from Chad. They're going to go, they're going to IPO at a trillion dollar evaluation. But the issue that I have is that everything in America, everything in the market is focused on consumption of the American consumer. And that is great. But at some point, you've got to have a utilitarian kind of mindset of what can we do as a society to increase the, to have a, you know, a tide that lifts more boats. That really raises all of us. Right, because all the things that we're doing isn't focused on that at all. And I think what these rich fox are going to realize is that once they price everybody out and they put everybody out of the marketplace, they lost their market. And they're gonna and then people are gonna be fucking pissed and revolt and kill them right? Yeah It's gonna be the French goddamn revolution all over exact. I don't know enough about Russia But also isn't there a chance we just turn into Russia where like all the oligarch zone everything and everyone else Just like goes along because well, I mean are we I mean where we're we're on our way there Yeah, right like we've got it the technical art all of our I mean you saw that did you see the videos of the Amazon employees leaving the dot leaving the centers and they were all crying and it's like, and these people, they found a way to get a job that paid them more than $20 an hour. Right. And they have 30, how many people was it? Like 30,000 people. And it wasn't just the dock workers and the supply chain folks. It was also, you know, people on the AWS document, the people who do write all the documents for AWS, were like, oh, they suck. They should use the gun.
• Yeah, that's very fucked up.
• Unfortunately, (laughing) Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, it's probably gonna take too long for, I don't know, man, I don't know enough about macroeconomics, but like think about it, like AWS, what do they need? Well, they need two things. They need people to keep buying servers from them and then they need people to keep shopping at their bookstore.
• Right.
• And...
• And bookstore.
• I'm sure, is that what they started doing? Is that how it started?
• With books?
• Is that how it's done?
• It's been so long, I forgot.
• You're a young buck. (laughing)
• But what I'm saying is, if you cut out the lower middle class, middle class, all these people who have been given an opportunity to have a decent living, like at some point that's gonna come reap, you gotta reap what you sow, right?
• Exactly.
• I don't know.
• They're gonna come root.
• I think that there's a future where, You don't, it doesn't take much energy to keep someone alive. And because of social media and phones, they can just basically just shell up like Ready Player One, right? Just plug into the matrix. And I think that that the dark hand is kind of waiting for that. Yeah. Like they're just gonna be like, all right, all you people, which is gonna just plug into them. In fact, I can met Zuckerberg's gonna, you know, do a dog and pony. Like, but that's not what we want. Like, like we want all people to thrive. Right. And unf, if, if I guess. I don't, okay, so sorry, sorry, sorry, real quick. on that point is I don't think that we all want people to thrive.
• No, we don't.
• And that's the part that I don't understand. Is that there seems to be a big portion of American population right now that is actually more concerned about people who theoretically might do some shit.
• No, they want to pick, they want to create a system in a situation where the winners are pre-selected.
• Right, right.
• Well yeah, and the scarcity in mind said is real. Like, if you're sitting here thinking, I don't really have any value, but I'm a white male, which smear may not be true about me. But you're sitting here and you're like, oh man, I like this world where people just, what if I was like six to good looking and was a great financial advisor, right? And then all of a sudden, the paradigm shifted and everyone trusted really short women, right? And I'd be upset. I would probably tell everyone that those women don't know anything about finance. Exactly. You know what I mean? Like, and this, how is that really any different? It's like we're talking about like what the perception of society is and who are the predetermined winners. And that might be shifting because we're talking about equality, which we all here agree is a good thing for the rising tides. But if it hurts people in their sphere and anger and all that shit, and yeah, that's where you get to people don't have the best interests of society in general. But what I struggle with is that a lot of them are sitting here arguing against people who are in the same kind of boat as them. A lot of these people that I'm watching are not necessarily super wealthy. They're sitting there and they're being like, "Yeah, all these people that are on snap, they should have saved their money and they should have done whatever." I'm just like, "Dude, you're literally one paycheck away." So being there. Everybody thinks that they're different. When you hear, this is a joke I've heard on Instagram, but like I use Q-tips for my ears, right?
• Right.
• And they tell you not to do that, right? But not me, 'cause I'm careful, right? So it's the same thing. We're like, if I have to use Snap, it's because I've had a hard go of it. I'm a great person that's hard working. 'Cause I do it in you might, that actually is probably true. 'Cause most people are not pieces of shit. Like most people are hard working and want the best for their lives and blah blah blah. But it's easy to think.
• Exactly.
• Everyone else who's maybe a threat. What if there's not enough snap? Like there isn't.
• Guys, it's time to buy Figma stock.
• Okay, and this is not advice on stock.
• This is it, we're not finance.
• I'm not a finance.
• But look, look, it's pretty.
• It's created at bottom.
• So, so he--
• Figma make.
• Okay, no, no, no. So I've got some opinions on Figma make.
• Oh, I hear it.
• Okay, so, so, Tiff and I with their approved, So we're back together again now that she's fired me.
• Their approval is the startup that Brandon's working on.
• Yes, and so great company, basically helping parents who have children with disabilities be able to find the right therapies. Anyway, so part of the thing I've been doing the website and I've been managing its WordPress and we just constantly get hacked. I mean, like every fucking day, someone's doing an attack vector on the third-prove website. And I'm like, dude, can I just convince you to go to FigmaMake or to go to Lovable and to build a website that matches what you want and I'll help you kind of get through there. And so she started with FigmaMake and ended up building everything. What's interesting about FigmaMake is that FigmaMake has made a decision that when you're doing your little chat session, you're doing it within a component. You're not doing it within the whole application, right? Like so think about Lovable and anybody else, you do it within the application.
• Which is such a big context with that.
• Huge, right? But so all of a sudden, she shows me what she built. And I'm like, oh, this is actually kind of cool, but then I realize all of it is a single component. One single component for the entire website. (laughing)
• I thought you were about to give them.
• No, no, no, no.
• thesis on modularization of AI.
• So again, they took a different approach. And I don't think that there's people have the mental model to even understand what you're doing.
• Well, Figma is the best position company to own design to code. The lovable is not. Well, but we ended up, so I was like, all right, now go and take your same exact things and go to love. And it was probably better. And it was better. Yeah, that's, that's, I guess the point I'm trying to make is like, you just got out of this capital, go do something with it, right? Like it's $48 and it's down. It looks like it's like, was that six months ago? Yeah, I mean, so, so, I mean, this is very typical of a, IPO these days is it is it really IP and all the rich people got it in the below this the fucking where the fucking even Starts yeah, so they get they all get in then they rug pull everyone And then then it just dies down until until us retail investors come to say where's the bottom and then we buy it Yeah, I mean face Facebook IPO that you could correct me from wrong, but Facebook ended up IPOing around $33 all right for sure all right What's Asked Chat DBT if I'm right?
• I got a share of Figma at 33.
• Yeah, yeah, you did.
• One share.
• You got one share.
• They literally ration shares.
• Yeah, and they ration shares.
• We have no way of knowing, like there's no transparency in my opinion of how these are allocated. I put in for a lot. I requested a lot of Figma. Because I just, you know, IPOs with that much hype are most likely going to Skyrocket for the first couple of weeks.
• Yeah, I don't care if I get flagged as I,
• You know, IPO, trade, flipper, whatever it was.
• Okay, yeah, so Facebook IPO had made 18th, 2012, at $38 a share. The offering raised $16 billion in bail, you'd the company at roughly $104 billion. After the IPO, the stock dropped sharply, and it bottomed out at $18 a share. I bought that stock at $19 a share.
• No kidding.
• Yes, nice. And I sold it at $23, it's at $667 a share.
• That's probably split.
• Look at this fucking chart.
• And it has its price limit like $3,000.
• Here's the thing, look at that.
• Look at that.
• 1,800%.
• Here's the problem. I do this all the time 'cause I have two have bought stocks very low. I bought a good amount of AMD at like 68 cents or something.
• Oh my gosh.
• And then or whatever, two, I don't know, something very low. And now it's at like two, six years, something like that. And it's probably split a few times there. But the problem is like if you look at this chart, There's no way I am not selling once that sharp to find it.
• Exactly, like if I could tell the future.
• Yeah, but everybody dips. The moment that you see that dip, you're like, all right, I don't know. But that's where it's scared my you don't make money.
• Exactly.
• Yeah, but the other thing is--
• I did that with the crypto. Yeah, so the crypto all dipped like three weeks or four weeks ago or whatever. And I'm like, I just happened to like log into my coin base. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm just gonna buy a bunch of stupid shit. And I made a killing.
• Yeah, that's awesome. I saw a really old YouTube video where this kid was buying a thousandth Bitcoin. And his mom was like, what you doing, Donnie? He was like, mom, I'm buying my thousandth Bitcoin. He's our kid, he's like 19 or something. But I'm just like, I fucking hate myself. (laughing)
• He's literally silly, you know what I'm saying?
• Well, Bill and Donnie. So there was a guest on CMBC. I watched every morning when I'm getting ready. There was a guest on CMBC and was this old guy and he was just talking about Bitcoin. And he was like, yeah, Bitcoin is an asset. It's not some special thing though. It's subject to liquidity and he showed that they showed the chart. And the market goes down, Bitcoin goes down because there is no value in Bitcoin. So what, I mean, and I think that there will be, it's starting to become more, they're betting on it becoming way more normalized than it is. You can't use Bitcoin as, for example, collateral on the loan. Like if you wanted to go to loan at JbPorgan Chase, you can't use their Bitcoins as collateral. They won't consider that as an asset. So little things like that hurt it. But he just shows, when people sell, and when their value, their assets are decreased and they need cash, Bitcoin is hyper exposed to that. It is not a fucking currency. It is an alternative asset like gold.
• Which is why it goes up.
• Which is why it goes up. But the point of it is, is just like, it's not some special thing. And also, this is something that people don't, I got exposed to this is, you get taxed by these fucking exchanges when you sell your Bitcoin. And it's not FDIC insured. So like, like, when you're holding that as a currency reserve, Like you're exposed like if I just put my stuff in the dollar and it gets 4% interest because of the Fed, that's FDIC and shirt. And they sweep it to different banks. I think I think Coinbase is FDIC and shirt. Sure, but when you're holding Bitcoin, when you're, when you have your, when you have your own wallets and you don't have it, like you're not keeping it on any exchange or anything, you are 100% not protected by dogs. Yeah. So like the whole premise of it is fucking more shit. I do. I do.
• I do like what are you doing here? What is this? In chat, GBT, you looked up a chart.
• Yeah, it's a stock chart.
• Yeah, so okay, so no, what's really interesting
• I'm gonna say that for the end, it's like literally the end.
• They're starting to incorporate the UI elements into chat, and so I've started doing that too, where so I've started rebuilding some aspects of no, maybe because I'm tracking my calories, so I'm turning into a fat fuck. And so I was like, you know, I actually want, I don't want to like track individual stuff. I want to be able to go to a chat in her face and say, "Hey, I ate a chicken sandwich. I had a glass of water and I had a beer." And have it go, "Okay, you tracked water at 12 ounces. You had a chicken sandwich, which was probably like 300 calories or whatever it is." And so I started building this and then I realized that I need to have these like UI elements because like, Naomi was so much about, "Hey, show me how my sleep is." And so I'm now basically taking it where I can say, "Hey, chart out the last two weeks of my sleep." And it comes up and it's like, "Oh, he needs this tool and this tool and here's the component. So yeah, I think that that's where it goes.
• You know, I was using my Woop the other day to track a workout and they've got this cool feature that you can add every exercise that you did.
• Right.
• A couple of like Woop if you're listening. Couple of things that are annoying. You can't, from what I can tell you, you can't build your workout as you're doing it.
• Okay. - One, which is annoying. You have to after you're done, you track your activity, you say I worked out, I lifted weights, and then I say, "What did you lift?" and then you go in and add it. Now you can use pre-built workouts. So if you're doing the same, a lot of people do the same workout over and over again, which makes sense. You can just build it once and use it again. But what I really wanted was the ability to chat with it. It's got a chat button there for the coach. I just want to tell you, yeah, I did, I did, I did a Romanian deadlift with dumbbells. Right. Now go add that to my list. And just try it. Instead of have to type in Romanian. Yeah. Oh, there it is, found it. Totally. What way did I do, you know, like, yeah, dude. do it as I'm, as I'm, it's not that big of a deal, but it's just those things. No, it is. It's like what you're doing. Exactly. Like it, it, and, and, and, eventually we get to a point where he can just watch you do it and then be like, all right, good. Yeah, the real bot will be. The new deal. The old deal. They're watching you. A pocket. Do you work out great? That looks really good. All right. So, uh, we're going to close with one, one round table question. And it's a very important question. Okay. Um, very important question. Tomorrow is Halloween.
• Halloween. - We're gonna start with Jacob. What is your favorite scary movie?
• Ooh, favorite scary movie. That's a good one. Ooh.
• Come back to me. (laughing)
• I'm gonna come back on his back. I'm gonna pick either Nightmare on Elm Street was my thing, like back in the day.
• That's so your age.
• And let me, totally, right? 'Cause I'm an old fuck. But here's the thing about nightmare and Elm Street. And I tell this story anytime that I'm working with a client or even as a job is that so there is a buddy of mine, Ben Krueger, Ben if you're having to, you won't listen to this but if you do, hey, that so Ben was not very good at drawing but he had this amazing ability to take these wild ideas and kind of like sketch him out. And so I would take his drawings and then I would finish him but we both were obsessed with nightmare and Elm Street. So he would draw these like just like kind of shitty representations of Freddie Krueger and I would take him and I would finish him and it would just be and that has been like a marker for my entire career is that I'm really good at taking someone's rough ideas and turning them into things that are like fucking all point. And so I give everything to Ben Krueger for me identifying that and Freddie Krueger as well. Yeah. Ben Krueger and Freddie Krueger, holy shit. I've ever even made the connection that they had to sing last night.
• I'm last night, yeah, you're fucking, that was easy. I did that. - Fuck.
• What you got?
• I don't know if this whole count for you guys, but the movie get out. That's the first one that can.
• Oh, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• You're young. - Yeah, yeah.
• I saw you learn 12.
• I saw you got that.
• Well, you know, there was a renaissance in scary movies. Obviously the Jordan Peel, that's the Jordan Peel.
• Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• He can't kind of change the way that scary movies were made. and scary movies went through many different iterations. And I think that the way they started was in the demonic world. Like the Elman, Rosemary's Baby, the exorcist. And that was like a 1976. And then the '80s was like,
• Gold. - It was like, gory monsters. And then we had obviously the upper slasher movies.
• Right.
• And I had Blair Witch kind of. Yeah, was that like that those were those the can't that that that was that was another era that that that Paranormal activity probably doesn't have that's Lairwitch app, you know those types of movies Yeah, but I think what was yours? You did that my favorite yeah, no, I mean it's my favorite scary movie is scream. Oh, yeah, okay Yeah, that's a really good one. It's a good movie. Yeah, but I think that because it's so meta You can't really say it's your favorite scaring movie It's a movie on movies. Yeah, right. Yeah, they even say you know like they Forth wall that should yeah, forth wall that was it was it was almost IP at that point But I think that my favorite scary movie has to be the original. Oh, yeah No, I mean, it's just a perfect movie you know Might be my least favorite scary movie. What's that it? Oh? You want to know why why because when I was like 10 years old my parents I just rented that shit from Boyle Blaster and they said you can't watch it.
• You watch it.
• And I said, okay, I pretended to go to bed, but then I snuck back downstairs and watched the entire movie from behind
• No, you didn't do it.
• The family room recliner. And I couldn't take a shower for like six years. And I shit you not. Every time, I'm sure I've told you the guest, but every time I'd wash my face, it was like a fucking
• That's cool.
• I gotta get this soap out of my eyes.
• Dude, that shit's traumatizing. I got traumatized by Polterdist. Oh yeah, that was because that movie was rated PG. Yeah, what is it? Oh, yes, which is bananas. What bananas Steven Spielberg move? Yeah, that is a. You're kind of like that's that's surprising because I that seems like that's about a decade past your age range. It was on TV. Okay, so because I saw it when it like came out. I was like 1984. Yeah, I was like I was so an 84. I would have been like eight. I was 1982. Okay.
• You know, I would have been, I would have been sick.
• The girl died.
• I mean, did that movie was fucking possessed?
• Dude, there's a lot of weird shit that happened with that, all the cast members of that. There's like, beyond the one person dying, there's like multiple people that had issues. And I did, I watched that at six years old and absolutely scarred me.
• You ever seen the client?
• Four actors that were in that movie died soon after the pandemic. (laughing)
• Oh my God. (laughing)
• Fucking hell. (laughing) Yeah, it wasn't a good day to be on the Poltergeist crew.
• Yeah, I love movies.
• Great movie.
• I'm creating movie database with AI and totally vibe-coding.
• What are you gonna call it?
• I don't know. I have 9,000 movies so far in the database.
• No shit.
• Yeah, I took the list from, there's a website called Watch Mode, And it has the where a movie is available from a streaming perspective.
• Oh nice.
• On their API and you can pay for the API so you can create like, you know, I'm sure Roku uses it to deep link and things like that and power their search. It's just a manual, I'm sure it's like a manually created scraping service that just creates a database. But what I did is I used their API, I get a thousand for your request and I figured I had a batch to get more data. I got every single movie that's available for rent on Amazon, which I concluded would include all good movies.
• Right.
• Because there's so many movies that you go to Amazon and you're like, try to stream it. And you're like, yeah, it's not fucking available. And it's a good movie.
• All right.
• Because I like watching good movies. And I like watching 90s movies.
• It's also my least favorite thing when you Google, like a movie. And it says, oh, it's available on Amazon or whatever. And then you're like, oh, to buy.
• Yeah, to buy.
• Yeah, to buy.
• I know what that is.
• For $39.
• I've subscribed to every platform, telling the one that offers it.
• It's so annoying. And one of our, I shared the idea with our team, and one of our employees shared this chart, and it was basically like any media before 2015 is slowly disappearing.
• Oh sure, yeah, yeah.
• Right, right.
• And I just learned--
• I don't know why.
• I just learned the other day that 30 Rock had a couple of their episodes washed. You can't buy them anymore, 'cause they did blackface for something.
• Oh yeah.
• And that was just like--
• But that's like stuff, right?
• Yeah, you know, it becomes worth money and sell. My goal is to build a physical, I have lots of DVDs. So I'm gonna build, and I don't like streaming. So I'm gonna just continue, like I bought consistently about four DVDs a week. I've been going through lists. But anyways, it's gonna be, the list of those movies is 26,000 movies. 1970 and 2025 is 26,000 movies.
• Shit.
• I've got all the metadata, cast member data, directors. I got all the movie posters.
• Nice.
• That's gonna be like myplex server.
• Yeah, yeah.
• I'm gonna be the anti-plex. I'm gonna do it all physical copies.
• Wow.
• Yeah.
• Yeah.
• Yeah.
• Maybe one day we'll have a small movie real store and just sit in there and--
• We had that at Rosalman's. I worked at the movie rental in--
• That's badass.
• Yeah, it was just like that.
• Yeah, it was just like, my god, what was the name of the little, anyway.
• Johnny's porn show.
• No, it was the game room downstairs and I worked in there and people would come and scan the QR or the barcode and I would give them the movie.
• Nice.
• Yeah, it was fun.
• All right.
• That's it!
• That's it!
• Happy Frickin' Halloween.
• Happy Halloween everybody.
• Go build stuff that helps the world so that I can feel better about my existence.
• Please. - It's not that I'm not a place.
• Please, have a good one. Peace. - Goodbye. [POP] äen.